Curt Mills

Well, and you're publishing in the American Conservative.

I'm good friends with Kurt Mills and Andrew Day over there.

So good on you.

That's a great publication.

This includes younger members of a demographic that Netanyahu once banked on as the bedrock of the U.S.-Israel relationship, conservatives.

Kurt Mills, executive director at the American Conservative, explained in an interview that there was already skepticism on the right over Israel's efforts to increase U.S. involvement in the region, but that many were optimistic that Trump would take the country in a different direction.

Trump assembled a fairly unique coalition in 2024, and people did not, broadly speaking, come to the polls in 2024 to do a new war on Iran for Israel, but that's what they got, said Mills.

In June 2025, during what has since become widely known as the 12-day war with Iran, there were high-level defections from that coalition, including commentators Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon, as well as Republican lawmakers, Republicans Marjorie Taylor Greene, Georgia, and Thomas Massey, Kentucky.

One contractor that organizes trips to Israel, the Center for Jewish Impact, even acknowledged that Israel is unlikely to find many friends in multilateral organizations like the United Nations.

Robert Singer, chairman of the Center for Jewish Impact, wrote in the Jerusalem Post in February 2025 that Israel should focus more on bilateral relations instead of inviting representatives of friendly countries like Hungary, Bulgaria, and others to visit.

To Kurt Mills, the executive director of the American Conservative, Israel has a fleeting window of American support.

Quote, one could imagine a bounce back in some level of support if Israel becomes less salient, but I think the die is cast, end quote.

Um, so you know, there are people who believe that Tucker is dangerous, that he should be out of the coalition.

Um, there are other people who I talk to, like, for example, Curt Mills, who's the editor of The American Conservative.

He said that he thinks Tucker speaks in this forthright way for a very important wing of the party, which is kind of anti-war, anti-American military adventures overseas, certainly, um, not fully pro-Israel constituency-

Mm-hmm

Now, Saudi-backed forces are fighting alongside UAE forces to take back the Bab el-Mandeb straits.

We'll discuss that and continue our focus on how these foreign policy questions are affecting the midterm elections with Curt Mills coming up.

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That's right, and there may be even more coming.

The Saudis and the Houthis could be at this for years, but as we've said all along, America has to come first.

I don't believe America should fight Israel's wars, and I don't believe we should fight Saudi Arabia's wars either.

Joining us now, executive director of The American Conservative, Curt Mills.

Kurt, we've talked in the past about the resilience of the Houthis in Yemen.

It tarnishes our name and wastes our resources, and it is a moral stain on the United States.

Kurt Mills has been watching the generational divide closely.

He is the executive director of the American Conservative, a magazine founded more than two decades ago to challenge the Republican establishment over the Iraq war that followed 9-11.

Ever since, it's tried to push the party toward a less interventionist, more America-first foreign policy.

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Kurt Mills.

So Kurt, over a year ...

In 2025, I think it was in the spring of '25, we had Yaakov Katz on with, uh, his book, While Israel Slept.

Why have they not star- started the process here? Why has this guy been able to stonewall this now that we have other information? And listen, if you're gonna be an ally or America's greatest ally, we need to h- know that you're dealing from the top of the deck, not the bottom of the deck.

And I think th- particularly as this midterm is looking like a referendum, a part of it a referendum on this war, and people's, n-not just in MAGA, but, uh, Democrats, Independents, et cetera, a rejection of the continuation of this, uh, it's gotta be... everything's gotta be put on the table, and we need information about it.

Kurt Mills.

Yeah, I'd say two things.