Cult of the Dead Cow

He was associated with a bunch of these underground groups.

Uh, Cult of the Dead Cow was probably the most famous one.

Um, and, you know, these guys really inspired all these, all these great movies like Hackers, et cetera.

But then he went and moved into the corporate world and worked for Facebook.

So there's definitely risk, but the, the risk is much more about bad guys using AI to increase their capabilities.

And so we should work that problem.

You have this storied career in, in cybersecurity, starting out with like, you know, sort of the underground world as a kid with y- you know, these, uh, these groups like The Cult of the Dead Cow.

And then you went into the corporate world, and you worked, you know, at Yahoo and, and Facebook and, you know, became a, a big voice after the, after the whole Cambridge Analytica thing, I think.

And then finally, we'll hear from the one and only...

Death Vegetable or Death Veggie from the Cult of the Dead Cow, who welcomed me literally with open arms into the extraordinary realm of the OG hacker culture, which is great.

I'm a hugger.

So it was actually very, very nice.

That's amazing.

And here's to 500 more.

Tally-ho, future astronauts! This is Death Veggie from Cult of the Dead Cow, and thanks for sticking with Firewall's Don't Stop Dragons for 500 episodes.

A lot has changed since Carrie started this project.