Criminal

Mayhem."

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That's journalist Alexis Okeowo.

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Pamela Coloff's book is Catch the Devil: A True Story of Murder, Deception, and Injustice on the Gulf Coast.

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I'm Phoebe Judge.

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Today, I'm talking with journalist Jennie Kleeman about the biggest criminal case in Finland's history.

Jennie covered this story for the BBC in her podcast, Ransom Man.

Thanks, Jennie, for being here.

So there was a kind of four or five-week period where behind the scenes Vastaamo was frantically trying to stop the hacker from releasing this data, this incredibly precious data, uh, but they were never going to pay a ransom.

That was never on the cards because they couldn't trust.

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