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Credit default swap

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Sep 10, 2026

Alberto GalloGUEST
24:41
I was bearish, uh, since 2007, 2006.
Alberto GalloGUEST
24:44
I saw a client selling protection, so going long risk on United States CDS, credit default swaps, that was yielding one basis point with a leverage of 100.
Alberto GalloGUEST
24:55
Obviously, the United States didn't default, but the margin call was pretty heavy.
Alberto GalloGUEST
25:00
This time around, the instruments don't mark to market.
Alberto GalloGUEST
25:03
The underlying's a lot more levered than United States CDS.
Alberto GalloGUEST
25:06
It's levered, you know, a lot more and, and, and more subordinated.
Alberto GalloGUEST
25:11
But there's no mark to market.
Alberto GalloGUEST
29:58
So that yield comes from government b- debt, from government bonds, not from the credit risk that you're taking.
Frank CurzioHOST
28:45
I can't see how the quarter is not really good.
Frank CurzioHOST
28:48
Uh, they're tied to CDS spreads, which is insurance against the company defaulting on debt.
Frank CurzioHOST
28:54
And that has gone higher with, with Oracle.
Frank CurzioHOST
28:56
And also you saw that with SpaceX and those companies got annihilated, but SpaceX, we told you to buy when near its lows and said, listen, a lot of this is factored in now.
Frank CurzioHOST
30:13
And that's why the stock went to 340.
Frank CurzioHOST
30:15
They didn't anticipate that.
Frank CurzioHOST
30:16
And CDS spreads started going higher.
Frank CurzioHOST
30:21
And now it's come off its lows.
Michael GreenGUEST
22:42
But if you're going to say, well, it's because we think the U.S. is credit quality has declined.
Michael GreenGUEST
22:46
There's actually a financial instrument called the CDS contract that's available on the United States.
Michael GreenGUEST
22:51
And that will actually tell you what people think the risks are that the United States defaults in a Euro related currency, for example.
Michael GreenGUEST
22:58
So a massive depreciation of the dollar would show up as an increase in U.S. CDS that has failed to materialize.
Michael GreenGUEST
23:04
In fact, U.S. CDS has contracted over the past several months.
Michael GreenGUEST
23:09
Likewise, if it was fears of inflation, there is a market traded instrument called an inflation swap or an inflation break even that should reflect those fears.
Michael GreenGUEST
23:17
They do not.
Maggie LakeHOST
27:29
bond market.
Frank CurzioHOST
28:45
I, I can't see how the quarter is not really good.
Frank CurzioHOST
28:48
Uh, they're tied to CDS spreads, which is insurance against a company defaulting on debt, and that has gone higher with, with Oracle, and also you saw that with SpaceX.
Frank CurzioHOST
28:57
And those companies got annihilated, but SpaceX, we told you to buy when near its lows and said, "Listen, a lot of this is factored in now." I wouldn't be buying at these levels with SpaceX.
Frank CurzioHOST
29:05
It's come back tremendously.
Frank CurzioHOST
29:07
Uh, but Oracle, look, uh, the CDS spreads have come down.
Frank CurzioHOST
29:11
That's what- why that stock's off its lows of 115, 117 to over 150.
Frank CurzioHOST
29:16
Remember, this is a $340 stock, so expectations are pretty low.
Frank CurzioHOST
30:05
But I mean, this company, uh, has so much business that's booked over the next two to four years.
Larry McDonaldGUEST
6:13
That's what the smart money is doing right now.
Julia La RocheHOST
6:15
When you say buying protection or insurance, is this like CDS? What are they buying specifically?
Larry McDonaldGUEST
6:22
Right.
Larry McDonaldGUEST
6:23
There's a lot of ways to skin that cat.
Larry McDonaldGUEST
6:25
You can buy CDS.
Larry McDonaldGUEST
6:27
You can short.
Larry McDonaldGUEST
6:28
You can buy puts on, say, Bank of America, which are really cheap.
Julia La RocheHOST
11:08
The question is whether or not the reasons for owning gold have changed.
Ben BreyGUEST
12:57
And, you know, the crescendo of that was Oracle going to 341 as its credit spreads at 45.
Ben BreyGUEST
13:04
Well, since then, it's down like 60-some percent, and its credit spreads are now trading like junk, 200 on the CDS, and the private market's 300. the market kind of figured it out then.
Ben BreyGUEST
13:14
And to be fair, like the real bubble stocks or the real bubble assets actually did pop in that early October period, right? Bitcoin was at 125 and it's halved since then, right? The fake stocks like SMR and Oklo, which are like next generation small modular reactors, like Interesting technology, but again, not relevant to today from an economic model.
Ben BreyGUEST
13:35
They were high flyer.

9 MINS LATER

Ben BreyGUEST
22:36
They're like, yeah, we'll take it.
Ben BreyGUEST
22:37
And they would take the senior tranche.
Ben BreyGUEST
22:39
And they take the senior tranche equity or income to pay for the mispriced CDS.
Ben BreyGUEST
22:44
And so they bought CDS at like 1% that paid off 90 times, crushed it, right? Very smart guys, right? I mean, and so they're the guys who underwrote Corweave.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:16
That's one market-based number.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:18
The other is to go to the market called the CDS market, the credit default swap market.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:23
There you will see sovereign CDS spreads.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:27
The sovereign CDS spread for Brazil at the time of this assessment was 2.53%.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:31
That's a measure of how much default risk the CDS market sees in Brazil.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:37
So those are both market-based numbers.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:39
One is the CDS market.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
17:40
The other is a government bond denominated in dollars or euros.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
23:19
That's a market-based number.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
23:21
Demand and supply, and it's a sovereign CDS market.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
23:23
You say, what's a sovereign CDS? It's a market you can go to and buy insurance against the sovereign default.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
23:30
So let's say you bought a Brazilian government bond and you say, I don't want to face default.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
23:34
You can go buy protection.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
23:57
I like this market because it gives me a second place I can go to check the ratings.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
24:03
But it does come with a catch.
Aswath DamodaranHOST
24:05
It's available only for about 80 countries and about half the world doesn't have sovereign CDS spreads.
Richard CoffinHOST
21:47
So if a mortgage defaults, the person who owns that insurance contract will get a payout.
Richard CoffinHOST
21:53
So what people were doing were they were selling these credit default swaps on other people's mortgages to people who had nothing to do with those mortgages.
Richard CoffinHOST
22:03
to these speculators who are trying to make money on people's defaulting.
Richard CoffinHOST
22:07
So that's the credit default swap.
Richard CoffinHOST
22:08
And the synthetic CDO would be full of these credit default swaps because they almost mimicked a mortgage.
Richard CoffinHOST
22:14
You had the guy in this case paying premiums to this lady as if he was a borrower borrowing money to buy a house and paying interest payments.
Richard CoffinHOST
22:24
So that's how the money was collected to pay for these synthetic CDOs.
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23:22
They're made all season long.
Tom HayesHOST
27:29
The bond market is smarter than the stock market.
Tom HayesHOST
27:32
So keep an eye on Oracle CDS.
Tom HayesHOST
27:35
Keep an eye on the hyperscaler CDS.
Tom HayesHOST
27:37
The market is saying...
Tom HayesHOST
27:39
You know, they're issuing an awful lot of debt and we don't see the free cash flow to support it yet.

31 MINS LATER

Tom HayesHOST
58:30
But time will tell.
Tom HayesHOST
58:31
And going back to the mid 90s, which I've shown you, you still had three 50 percent corrections in semiconductors during that five year boom.
Tom HayesHOST
58:41
So Oracle, I mean, record CDS spread, the cost to ensure 10 million dollars of bonds has increased.

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