Craig Hoyle

And if you're, if a young person or a child grows up with everything that they have been taught is fundamentally wrong or, and/or not in their best interests, mainly the information they get taught is to propagate the wealth and the growth of the group, and to shore up the comfort of the cult leader, and it's absolutely not in their best interests.

And it's also small things too, right? I mean, I've, we, we talked before on air, I mean, we've had Craig Hoyle on the show, who's written about his experiences of coming out of a cult.

And it w- I remember him talking about little things like pop culture, movies, like having no idea-

Yeah

Yeah, so that's why I have a podcast, 104 episodes.

I run that show with two others, um, Lindy Jacom, who's a former member of the, um, Plymouth, Plymouth Brethren Christian Church.

We've mentioned Craig Hoyle-

Yep