Coveware, Inc.

if they didn't have intellectual property or stuff that they want, not wanted to get out, we wouldn't make a payment.

So Krubs is pretty much insinuating, throwing shade on everybody in this particular situation, right? And they go into, mentioned another company that we know of anyway, a number of leading cybersecurity firms, including Coveware and Unit 221B have consequently warned against paying Shining Hunters, noting that destroyed victim data is often kept, resold, or used to extort companies' clients later on.

Now, we'll talk about that.

I don't know much about Unit 221B's operations in terms of threat action communications and things of that nature.

I do know from working on several matters when we were very early in our infancy, five or so years ago, that Coveware would routinely not pay or would refuse to make a payment if they believed even that a threat actor was Russian.

We think it's Russian, we're not paying.

Like they had, for right or wrong, but either the negotiator or it was a company policy that stated that they would not make a payment if certain criteria were met.

It's been many, many years.