Corky Carroll

... age, because they got a solid foot in the long board world, and all of a sudden, wham.

Corky Carroll and Brad McCall hit with the mini model.

And so, and then Evolution came out.

So that was the transitional period when we went from logs to high performance boards.

Yeah.

And so things started going boom, boom, boom.

So Brad McCall and Corky Carroll, they s-

They kinda instigated the short board.