
Copernican Revolution
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Sep 10, 2026
391: Part 3 - Dr. Lisle's New Book: Sherlock Holmes and the Secret of Life Interview Part 2 of 3
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26:08Doug LisleHOST
This is the most meaningful revolution in understanding of anything.
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26:15Doug LisleHOST
The only thing equivalent would have been the Copernican Revolution.
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26:19Doug LisleHOST
where we understood, oh my gosh, we're not the center of the universe.
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26:23Doug LisleHOST
It's like, okay, that was a very big deal.
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26:29Doug LisleHOST
This is as big a deal.
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26:31Doug LisleHOST
And just as the Copernican revolution was so disturbing to the status quo, it was unbelievably threatening to the church.
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26:41Doug LisleHOST
The next revolution of this magnitude was Darwin.
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26:45Doug LisleHOST
and god knows darwin is still being fought you know i mean people still have very difficult problems with darwin even highly intelligent people you know i mean still have problems with darwin uh that's because they don't understand okay and then even among people that understand and and are no longer fighting the notion of human beings as products of evolution Which, incidentally, the Catholic Church finally choked down in like 1992, for God's sakes.
Kevin Van Meter and Robert Ovetz eds. "Points of Departure: Refusal of Work and the Crisis of Capitalism: the Collected Writings of Harry Cleaver" (Common Notions, 2026)
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26:12Robert OvetzGUEST
It's not a new idea necessarily to Harry, but he does make it very fundamental to, uh, many of the writings that are in this volume.
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26:19Robert OvetzGUEST
It really kinda comes from, uh, something that the Italian autonomous Marxist Mario Tronti wrote about decades earlier, uh, that he called the Copernican Revolution.
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26:31Robert OvetzGUEST
And Tronti's point is that we need to start from the working class rather than from capital.
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26:38Robert OvetzGUEST
And Harry coins this term the inversion of class perspective.
Kevin Van Meter and Robert Ovetz eds. "Points of Departure: Refusal of Work and the Crisis of Capitalism: the Collected Writings of Harry Cleaver" (Common Notions, 2026)
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26:46Robert OvetzGUEST
It's not a new idea necessarily to Harry, but he does make it very fundamental to many of the writings that are in this volume.
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26:53Robert OvetzGUEST
It really kind of comes from something that the Italian autonomous Marxist Mario Tronti wrote about decades earlier that he called the Copernican Revolution.
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27:05Robert OvetzGUEST
And Tronti's point is that we need to start from the working class rather than from capital.
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27:12Robert OvetzGUEST
And Harry coins this term, the inversion class perspective.
Kevin Van Meter and Robert Ovetz eds. "Points of Departure: Refusal of Work and the Crisis of Capitalism: the Collected Writings of Harry Cleaver" (Common Notions, 2026)
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26:06Robert OvetzGUEST
It's not a new idea necessarily to Harry, but he does make it very fundamental to many of the writings that are in this volume.
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26:14Robert OvetzGUEST
It really kind of comes from something that the Italian autonomous Marxist Mario Tronti wrote about decades earlier that he called the Copernican Revolution.
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26:26Robert OvetzGUEST
And Tronti's point is that we need to start from the working class rather than from capital.
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26:33Robert OvetzGUEST
And Harry coins this term, the inversion class perspective.
Kevin Van Meter and Robert Ovetz eds. "Points of Departure: Refusal of Work and the Crisis of Capitalism: the Collected Writings of Harry Cleaver" (Common Notions, 2026)
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25:00Robert OvetzGUEST
It's not a new idea necessarily to Harry, but he does make it very fundamental to many of the writings that are in this volume.
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25:07Robert OvetzGUEST
It really kind of comes from something that the Italian autonomous Marxist Mario Tronti wrote about decades earlier that he called the Copernican Revolution.
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25:19Robert OvetzGUEST
And Tronti's point is that we need to start from the working class rather than from capital.
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25:26Robert OvetzGUEST
And Harry coins this term, the inversion class perspective.
Planet Narnia with Michael Ward | Created In The Image of God 277
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13:45Michael WardGUEST
He thought it was a rich and marvelous work.
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13:48Michael WardGUEST
And then more theologically in Lewis's Christian life, he said that the greatest Psalm in the Psalter was Psalm 19. the greatest poem in the book of psalms and one of the greatest lyrics in the world and of course it's that song that begins the heavens are telling the glory of god the firmament proclaims his handiwork so all these things show that lewis was absolutely steeped in in this uh old cosmology he didn't believe it was literally true of course you know he he accepted the copernican revolution that the sun is actually at the center of our solar system and the sun does not go around the earth even though it looks like it does we go around the sun um so he was he was content to accept the scientific advance brought about by copernicus of course um but he nonetheless thought that the pre-copernican cosmos um because of its of its spiritual interpretation of material reality conveyed an attitude to the universe which was worth retaining and which in some ways we have lost as science has progressed.
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15:06Michael WardGUEST
Science has in some measure spiritualized or disenchanted the universe.
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15:14Michael WardGUEST
And we now tend to think much more purely in materialistic terms, in terms of quantity.
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20:44Wade FransonHOST
I'm reminded of that, but there's value in those early probings.
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20:50Wade FransonHOST
And there was certainly inspiration and revelation coming from the divine that was guiding us through that early childhood, if you will, of civilization.
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21:01Wade FransonHOST
prior to the Copernican Revolution.
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21:03Wade FransonHOST
These were just some of the thoughts I was having as you were talking.
Eran Shalev, "The Star-Spangled Republic: Political Astronomy and the Rise of the American Constellation" (U Virginia Press, 2025)
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12:19Eran ShalevGUEST
and when they start looking at kings as sons.
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12:24Eran ShalevGUEST
Now, the most obvious example is Louis XIV in the 17th century, but by then we have the Copernican Revolution, and heliocentrism, which makes this metaphor much more powerful.
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12:44Eran ShalevGUEST
Because now the Sun is the focal point of the universe, basically.
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12:49Eran ShalevGUEST
We're still looking at a relatively small, compact universe in which first the Earth and now the Sun is the center.
Eran Shalev, "The Star-Spangled Republic: Political Astronomy and the Rise of the American Constellation" (U Virginia Press, 2025)
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12:58Eran ShalevGUEST
and when they start looking at kings as sons.
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13:04Eran ShalevGUEST
Now, the most obvious example is Louis XIV in the 17th century, but by then we have the Copernican Revolution, and heliocentrism, which makes this metaphor much more powerful.
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13:24Eran ShalevGUEST
Because now the sun is the focal point of the universe, basically.
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13:29Eran ShalevGUEST
We're still looking at a relatively small, compact universe in which first the Earth and now the sun is the center.
Eran Shalev, "The Star-Spangled Republic: Political Astronomy and the Rise of the American Constellation" (U Virginia Press, 2025)
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12:28Eran ShalevGUEST
and when they start looking at kings as sons.
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12:34Eran ShalevGUEST
Now, the most obvious example is Louis XIV in the 17th century, but by then we have the Copernican Revolution, and heliocentrism, which makes this metaphor much more powerful.
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12:54Eran ShalevGUEST
Because now the Sun is the focal point of the universe, basically.
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12:59Eran ShalevGUEST
We're still looking at a relatively small, compact universe in which first the Earth and now the Sun is the center.
“The Fourth Humiliation” by Nathalie Kirch
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9:47Type Three AudioNARRATOR
And I notice that every answer I reach for, that we'll find some new source of purpose, that AI itself might help provide it, that maybe we will just get used to it, or that a different way of living will emerge, is still, I think, speaking the language of the wound.
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10:02Type Three AudioNARRATOR
So rather than attempt an answer, I will leave you with two pictures that I think beautifully illustrate the change the Copernican Revolution set in motion.
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10:10Type Three AudioNARRATOR
From the center of the universe to a mote of dust in a sunbeam.
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10:14Type Three AudioNARRATOR
There's an image here.
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