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Conway's law

Conway's law

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Sep 19, 2026

Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
3:25
Structural debt presents as five-minute debates happening 50 times a week, across a team of 12 engineers, sustained over three years.
Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
3:34
Conway's Law.
Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
3:35
Why this is structurally inevitable.
Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
3:37
To understand why code-based structures drift into disarray, look at the humans building them.
Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
3:42
If an engineering organization consists of three separate teams, front-end, back-end, and DBA, Conway's Law dictates they will build a three-tier architecture, presentation, API, and database layers.
Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
3:55
Not because an architect designed it, but because that is how the humans talk to each other.
Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
4:00
If you instead reorganize those same engineers into cross-functional squads, checkout, payments, and inventory, the codebase splits into three domain services.
Milan MilanovicGUEST
5:03
I am coming from academy also, and I would not consider them laws, but they are already called laws.
Milan MilanovicGUEST
5:08
It's like Conway's law, Brooks' law.
Milan MilanovicGUEST
5:10
So someone already called them laws.
Milan MilanovicGUEST
5:13
So I just try to use the same wording.
Giovanni AsproniHOST
8:09
Then we'll discuss a few later.
Milan MilanovicGUEST
8:11
Yeah.
Milan MilanovicGUEST
8:11
What is law in my opinion? Of course, let's say Conway's law.
Milan MilanovicGUEST
8:16
I think it's a great example that everyone needs to know about that organization design systems that mirror their own communication structure.
Sunny HanGUEST
25:53
I think the research was done at MIT and Harvard.
Sunny HanGUEST
25:55
But there's this concept called Conway's Law.
Sunny HanGUEST
25:58
And Conway's Law is fairly simple.
Sunny HanGUEST
25:59
It says that once you implement digital systems, your digital infrastructure has to match your – architecture has to match your communication architecture.
Jim MayerHOST
26:08
Or one of the things is going to break, and you're going to have problems.
Ryan HamiltonHOST
29:08
I think that motivates change.
Ryan HamiltonHOST
29:11
There's an interesting law, it's called Conway's Law, developed by a software engineer back in the '60s, who noted that a lot of tech products and software seemed to reflect the organizational structure of the company that produced it.
Ryan HamiltonHOST
29:26
So if a software had three modules in it, there's a good chance that that organization had three different divisions who were working on different parts of that.
Ryan HamiltonHOST
29:33
I think that there is so much opportunity for improving business outcomes by reducing this coordination tax.
Ryan HamiltonHOST
29:08
I think that motivates change.
Ryan HamiltonHOST
29:11
There's an interesting law, it's called Conway's Law, developed by a software engineer back in the 60s, who noted that a lot of tech products and software seemed to reflect the organizational structure of the company that produced it.
Ryan HamiltonHOST
29:26
So if a software had three modules in it, there's a good chance that that organization had three different divisions who are working on different parts of that.
Ryan HamiltonHOST
29:33
I think that there is so much opportunity for improving business outcomes by reducing this coordination tax.
Casey MuratoriGUEST
43:22
Number [clears throat] page 28, How Do Committees Invent?-
ThePrimeagenHOST
43:27
[gasps] Conway's Law
Casey MuratoriGUEST
43:27
... by Melvin E. Conway.
Casey MuratoriGUEST
43:29
That is right, Teej.
Casey MuratoriGUEST
43:31
It is the-
ThePrimeagenHOST
43:32
Yes
Casey MuratoriGUEST
43:32
... original publication of Conway's Law.
Casey MuratoriGUEST
43:35
Whoa.
Henry GarnerHOST
15:26
And this reminds me of what you were saying earlier about people problems, essentially.
Henry GarnerHOST
15:33
And, you know, the organization is a big factor here because I guess the way legacy systems often end up, you know, Conway's Law and the like is based around team structures and, you know, internal dynamics.
Henry GarnerHOST
15:47
I guess to be successful a project like this, needs to be tackling those as well.
Henry GarnerHOST
15:53
Exactly.
David WynnHOST
35:20
There are only people problems.
David WynnHOST
35:23
And seeing how that manifests with Conway's Law and various other things, like very much, always has interesting detail, right? Lots of chaos theory and things to contribute to that.
Jamie TurnerGUEST
35:35
Yep.
Jamie TurnerGUEST
35:36
Yeah, it's just reminded me of there was a little tweet thread I was on yesterday about like unknown unknowns.
speaker_1HOST
34:11
And this actually touches on a deeper concept in the text regarding Agile as organizational design.
speaker_1HOST
34:17
There was a famous axiom called Conway's Law.
Vladimir DyachkovHOST
34:19
Let's dive into that because the text mentions it, but I really want to understand the mechanics.
speaker_1HOST
34:24
Conway's Law states that organizations inevitably design systems that mirror their own internal communication structures.
Vladimir DyachkovHOST
34:30
Wait, really? So the org chart dictates the product?
speaker_1HOST
34:33
Yes.

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