
Conway's law
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Search complete. 17 mentions across 9 episodes found for "Conway's law".
Sep 19, 2026
The $90,000 Onboarding Tax Hidden Inside Messy Codebases
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3:25Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
Structural debt presents as five-minute debates happening 50 times a week, across a team of 12 engineers, sustained over three years.
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3:34Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
Conway's Law.
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3:35Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
Why this is structurally inevitable.
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3:37Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
To understand why code-based structures drift into disarray, look at the humans building them.
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3:42Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
If an engineering organization consists of three separate teams, front-end, back-end, and DBA, Conway's Law dictates they will build a three-tier architecture, presentation, API, and database layers.
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3:55Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
Not because an architect designed it, but because that is how the humans talk to each other.
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4:00Artificial IntelligenceNARRATOR
If you instead reorganize those same engineers into cross-functional squads, checkout, payments, and inventory, the codebase splits into three domain services.
SE Radio 738: Milan Milanovic on the Laws of Software Engineering
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5:03Milan MilanovicGUEST
I am coming from academy also, and I would not consider them laws, but they are already called laws.
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5:08Milan MilanovicGUEST
It's like Conway's law, Brooks' law.
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5:10Milan MilanovicGUEST
So someone already called them laws.
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5:13Milan MilanovicGUEST
So I just try to use the same wording.
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8:09Giovanni AsproniHOST
Then we'll discuss a few later.
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8:11Milan MilanovicGUEST
Yeah.
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8:11Milan MilanovicGUEST
What is law in my opinion? Of course, let's say Conway's law.
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8:16Milan MilanovicGUEST
I think it's a great example that everyone needs to know about that organization design systems that mirror their own communication structure.
Sunny Han | It's Not Science Fiction, It's Manufacturing Fiction
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25:53Sunny HanGUEST
I think the research was done at MIT and Harvard.
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25:55Sunny HanGUEST
But there's this concept called Conway's Law.
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25:58Sunny HanGUEST
And Conway's Law is fairly simple.
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25:59Sunny HanGUEST
It says that once you implement digital systems, your digital infrastructure has to match your – architecture has to match your communication architecture.
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26:08Jim MayerHOST
Or one of the things is going to break, and you're going to have problems.
The Hidden Tax That's Quietly Costing Your Business a Fortune
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29:08Ryan HamiltonHOST
I think that motivates change.
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29:11Ryan HamiltonHOST
There's an interesting law, it's called Conway's Law, developed by a software engineer back in the '60s, who noted that a lot of tech products and software seemed to reflect the organizational structure of the company that produced it.
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29:26Ryan HamiltonHOST
So if a software had three modules in it, there's a good chance that that organization had three different divisions who were working on different parts of that.
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29:33Ryan HamiltonHOST
I think that there is so much opportunity for improving business outcomes by reducing this coordination tax.
The Hidden Tax That's Quietly Costing Your Business a Fortune
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29:08Ryan HamiltonHOST
I think that motivates change.
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29:11Ryan HamiltonHOST
There's an interesting law, it's called Conway's Law, developed by a software engineer back in the 60s, who noted that a lot of tech products and software seemed to reflect the organizational structure of the company that produced it.
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29:26Ryan HamiltonHOST
So if a software had three modules in it, there's a good chance that that organization had three different divisions who are working on different parts of that.
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29:33Ryan HamiltonHOST
I think that there is so much opportunity for improving business outcomes by reducing this coordination tax.
1968 Predicted Every Modern Tech Problem
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43:22Casey MuratoriGUEST
Number [clears throat] page 28, How Do Committees Invent?-
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43:27ThePrimeagenHOST
[gasps] Conway's Law
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43:27Casey MuratoriGUEST
... by Melvin E. Conway.
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43:29Casey MuratoriGUEST
That is right, Teej.
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43:31Casey MuratoriGUEST
It is the-
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43:32ThePrimeagenHOST
Yes
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43:32Casey MuratoriGUEST
... original publication of Conway's Law.
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43:35Casey MuratoriGUEST
Whoa.
S7E1 - JUXTCast S7E1: What Coding Agents Still Need From Us, with Chris Ford
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15:26Henry GarnerHOST
And this reminds me of what you were saying earlier about people problems, essentially.
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15:33Henry GarnerHOST
And, you know, the organization is a big factor here because I guess the way legacy systems often end up, you know, Conway's Law and the like is based around team structures and, you know, internal dynamics.
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15:47Henry GarnerHOST
I guess to be successful a project like this, needs to be tackling those as well.
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15:53Henry GarnerHOST
Exactly.
The People Behind the Hamsters and Other Stories of Downtime
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35:20David WynnHOST
There are only people problems.
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35:23David WynnHOST
And seeing how that manifests with Conway's Law and various other things, like very much, always has interesting detail, right? Lots of chaos theory and things to contribute to that.
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35:35Jamie TurnerGUEST
Yep.
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35:36Jamie TurnerGUEST
Yeah, it's just reminded me of there was a little tweet thread I was on yesterday about like unknown unknowns.
Stop Building Blind: The Build-Validate-Ship Loop That Turns Ideas Into Products — Deep Dive Episode 28
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34:11speaker_1HOST
And this actually touches on a deeper concept in the text regarding Agile as organizational design.
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34:17speaker_1HOST
There was a famous axiom called Conway's Law.
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34:19Vladimir DyachkovHOST
Let's dive into that because the text mentions it, but I really want to understand the mechanics.
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34:24speaker_1HOST
Conway's Law states that organizations inevitably design systems that mirror their own internal communication structures.
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34:30Vladimir DyachkovHOST
Wait, really? So the org chart dictates the product?
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34:33speaker_1HOST
Yes.