But what is the story sort of today and what you're sharing with investors and the broader base?

I think for containers the last few years, you know, there was obviously a lot of disruptions.

There still is.

Actually, congestion has never been bigger than today, even post-COVID.

So it's really the whole system is quite disrupted when you look at container shipping.

What people tend to focus on is kind of the headline news.

And that is, OK, big order book.

So it's not like ships are waiting to get orders on them.