Conor Murphy

Uh, that was Katrina Perry, uh, in Ireland.

Now, Conor Murphy is a Sinn Féin senator.

That's, uh, he's a former Northern Ireland Economy Minister, I should say, now in the Republic of Ireland's parliament.

And Sinn Féin was the political wing of the IRA that used to fight for Irish unity in a very bloody campaign in the '60s, '70s, '80s, and '90s.

And if the American administration continue to be behind that, then I think that would be a good thing.

I would hope that they would recognize the success of that approach and begin to apply it in other parts of the world.

Sinn Féin Senator Chris Murphy there.

It may be a time of war in Ukraine, but cultural life still goes on.

I'm joined by Lisa Hand and by former Fine Gael TD, John Deasy.

You may remember how in recent weeks we had a big United Ireland special with Leo Varadkar and Conor Murphy, and recently, John, we also spoke about the move towards a referendum on a United Ireland and how-

Or not

... well, yeah, and how it drives Taoiseach Micheál Martin bananas.

And Jim O'Callaghan had come out, and he had said, "Well, this is the way forward." And Harris said, "Oh, God, we're gonna have to mark your man because we don't want him becoming really popular more than he is, and we're gonna have to have a blueprint." All of these parties now will just back off.

Okay, but, you know, there's, there's a couple of things [laughs] here in relation to that.

Something Leo Varadkar said on this podcast, which was uploaded a few weeks ago, and people can go back and listen to it if they missed it, when he was with Conor Murphy of Sinn Féin, which really caught my attention, was when he said, "These things often happen at a momentum that you do not expect, and they happen because of events, and you're not prepared for them." So- Is he speaking for unionist parties now? No, no, hold on, hold on, hold on a second.

Seriously.