Concentrated solar power

And I've kind of always been around this idea of like ideas from 40 or 50 years ago that like never quite found their like timing and then getting them out to the market at the right time by implementing either some new R&D innovation or some new innovative market scheme or just maybe some emerging commercial strategy or whatever it may be.

And it felt like what Exxon was doing with concentrated solar power and solar thermal technologies, that was it.

You can read about CSP going back to hundreds of years, but really 50, 60 years ago, some of the early CSP plants and this kind of checkered past, especially in the United States about Ivanpah and Crescent Dunes and the SAGS plants and uh how we had so much hope for this like renewable technology in the early 2000s and it just like couldn't quite crack the code on either the technical or the financial side of it and now xol was showing up with like we're going to do everything like a little bit different and now we have this like backstop of data center power to you know help us commercialize on the economic side and so that was just a really you know kind of scratched a lot of the edges of like interesting technology kind of like a past technology that never quite made it but like you see the merits of it and you can read white papers about why it should work and it was really like non-technology factors that were stopping it from entering the market and now there's like this you know confluence of new commercial opportunities that might make it possible

Yeah.

Can you unpack that non-technical factors? Because being someone who worked in the government, I saw it time and time again.