Mm-hmm

... just a kind of, it's, doesn't, doesn't ma- it's not part of their epistemic life.

Um, but yeah, to come back to your, uh, disagreement point, I mean, disagreement was, uh, was something that got me into philosophy, right? So I already mentioned that I studied mathematics and, um, and I mean, the, the anecdote goes as follows.

At some point, Hugh Woodin comes along to give a talk at Span, my university.

Um, and, uh, uh, and he mentions at some point, you know, that something implies, um, that V does not equal L, which is a set theoretic statement.

Um, and, uh, he takes this now as, you know, it being true.

But this statement is, I mean, it's not provable from our theory.

Yeah, that's-