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Um, so I was doing lots of transactions and learning a lot, and I found myself just naturally gravitating towards retail.

I, I couldn't tell you why, but I really liked the strategic approach of a developer buying a piece of land, turning it into bricks and mortar, leasing it out to people, and then them trying to turn that into a business, right? So we were doing a lot.

We were...

I, I, I kinda helped facilitate a few arrangements, but again, they weren't getting the big deals.

They weren't getting the nationals because they were doing lots of deals and, and they're very successful, but they weren't getting those deals.

So what happened was I was showing a, uh, a, a building to a gentleman who was just really getting his retail group going over at Cushman, uh, at Stevenson at the time, Ken Yee.

Yeah