played actually

professional tennis.

And a lot of people don't know that, but that is like, I didn't know that, you know, it was a shock to me when I'm like, are you kidding me? You're a tennis player, you know? And, but he's a dang good tennis player.

And he ended up, he was actually a tennis coach.

And he, Way, way back.

I mean, again, a little over 40 years ago, I guess it was 87, 86, 87-ish, around in that timeframe, Jackie had kind of the idea, talking to Johnny Morris, talking about how his same formula that he had working there, like bass mashers and all, he was like, I want buck mashers.

I want to do it for deer.

know, to have

Right.

Um, because he's got his whole story, and I could probably tell you about word for word for it.

So I can do my best, but basically back in our, you know, '80s, uh, 1980s- Jackie, you know, he just got out of college, got out of...

It was over there at Auburn.

He was a tennis player, actually.

He, he played actually professional tennis, and a lot of people don't know that, but that is like...

I, I didn't know that, you know? It was a shock to me when I'm like, "Are you kidding me? You're a tennis player?" You know? And, uh, but he's a dang good tennis player.

Yeah

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So, uh, how about you, Cody?

Yeah, same, same principles really.

But his friends reassured him that the guy was vetted and had been staying at the camp.

(car door opening) I just remember there was like (car door closing) 13 of us that packed into this van.

When he asked me to sit with him up- up front, I thought, "Oh, shit." So we get back to camp.

I (door opening) opened the door up and he said, "Hey, hold on one second, Cody." He's like, um, "Can I have a word with you?" And then he started to reach on his left pocket of his jacket inside, and then he kind of...

He showed an envelope.

He didn't open it, he just pulled this envelope out.

And he said, "I got money for you." And I said, "What? What do you mean?" He said, "We at Greenpeace piled up all this money and...

(instrumental music plays) By the end of October 2016, Cody was clashing with members of Red Warrior Camp.