CMON Limited

And we've seen some bigger publishers get picked up by them.

Like CMON is a great example.

They sold their Zombicide IP, which is, you know, was huge.

I mean, one of the biggest IPs out there just to stay afloat.

very closely aligned.

So if you played Godfather's Corleone's Empire that came out in 2017 from CMON, you played a version of this.

If you played El Grande, you kind of played a version of this.

But this is certainly its own game.

I could be wrong.

So it could be done, but I think that made those types of games.

CMON just went to Kickstarter and went to town.

and brought us plastic plastic plastic and for right or wrong that changed the industry greatly so being my old curmudgeony self sometimes i just long for a beige euro with wood pieces that i can buy for 40 bucks and other times i just want to blow it up i handle those metal coins in my hand um it's it's changed retail i think um mass-produced games um do better in retail without Kickstarter.

Where do you wanna start this week? There's a few weird things going on.

Do we wanna, do we wanna do we were rooting for you CMON, CMON Games?

Oh, is there m-

Yeah.

Is there more CMON dramon?

Yeah.

Okay.

Sure.

Or like Cthulhu Death May Die that comes with a bunch of miniatures that are not as great quality sculpts, I would say, especially if you want to paint them.

Because like a lot of those miniatures from like CMON and all, you have to clean really, really like in depth.

Yeah.

right so i mean there's just so there's just so many things uh that are are going well for it i think and i'm really excited to see it kind of reminds me of a um i think once it gets going it's going to be what i wanted marble dagger to turn into because that was one that i really liked like that game is still very fun yeah um but the problem is there's just such limited playability of dagger And

yes.

And Not every version has the gavel, but the CMON version does, which is pretty new.

I got to shout out my local board game club buddy, Matthew.

He and his family are Filipino.

All right, well, GameStop's doing well.

CMON is not quite there yet.

They have not recovered.

Come on.

GameStop, they turned the corner and they had a quarterly profit.

CMON is still working towards that.

Come on, stabilize.

BoardGameWire did an, did a nice report on the current state of CMON.

And Board Game Wire ha- have done a bit of actual kind of investigation, looking into company accounts and stuff.

And that is that, um, CMON, Corman is or not, are really, um, up against it financially speaking.

Right.

Um, and you know, uh, uh, the- they've, they've always looked...

... you know, that having a lot of figures seems to be a really good thing in terms of making money.

But then you've gotta produce a lot of figures, and you've gotta mail them out and all that sort of stuff.

And it strikes me that CMON's, um, financial model has been do a Kickstarter, do another Kickstarter, do another Kickstarter.

And actually getting a little bit further behind every time on the, um-

And then we have to keep putting out Kickstarters in order to, yeah.

which is the CMON route.

Yeah.

And Russell Beals says, be familiar with the development methodology, have my son's budgets and make sure you're like, I'm sure they've probably got that part down.

They've been, they've got a track record of publishing.

Like, and that's where like the, the methodology, it's some of those other people that we've been talking about, like CMON and like MWG and stuff.

They probably didn't do so well.

uh, with all of that, but it's, it's like the market research.