Clover Hogan

And I think they were so brave because they acted not when it was easy, but especially when it was hard.

Says Clover Hogan, a young British climate activist.

And I know I can say personally, a lot of Australian climate activists who are finding Life's somewhat hard these days.

It's hard.

And like, because there are various iterations, aren't there, of climate cafes and things.

A few years ago, Clover Hogan came on to talk about the force of nature ones that they do.

And so these are specific things type of climate cafe to the Climate Psychology Alliance.

Yeah, I'm grateful you've made that distinction because there are lots of wonderful cafes and some like in local communities where they're having repair cafes as well.