Cliveden

Yeah.

And again, like, for example, the Astors, the Cliveden set, they were not big fans of Bolshevism, but they also were still very much British imperialists, right? So you have amongst the sort of pro-Anglo side of that.

an anti-Bolshevik sentiment, but you also have among some of those groups, especially the Rothschilds, no more of a pro-Bolshevik sentiment.

They were explicitly, in fact, they wanted in the Russo-Japanese War, this is at the Rothschilds archives, they wanted to, they funded Japan against Russia to take down the Tsar because people will pinpoint this and say, well, are you saying that the British Empire was, they were all socialist? They weren't because the Cliveden's the Astors, they were against the Bolsheviks.

I'm not saying that.

I'm saying that there's factions even amongst some of these elites in an empire.

There's also rumors that Churchill was into... gross things, but I don't know if that's true, but who wouldn't be surprised.

So basically the Cliveden set, the Milnerites ended up controlling Churchill and they pushed him to push for the world block model of creating a united Europe.

And so that's why Churchill called for all this EU stuff.

Thus the EU was designed to suppress and control the Germans.

Thanks again.

And, uh, let's start in Cliveden now.

We've had Victoria Smurfit, who is an ambassador for RNIB, and it was a huge event involving Victoria, which you attended.

Every year there is this amazing thing called the Cliveden Literary Festival at Cliveden House.

And this year we had a panel discussion hosted by Victoria Smurfit talking about, well, essentially to celebrate 90 years of talking books, but equally to recognize, you know, the power of literature and creativity in blind and partially sighted people's lives.

So Victoria Smurfit, um, hosted a panel discussion with two brilliant authors who have lived experience of sight loss themselves, so Amelia Hart and, um, Beth O'Brien.

And, um, of course, what it was doing was demonstrating the power of our, our talking book service and, and celebrating 90 years of talking books.

So great to be there and be part of the conversation.

Hello and welcome to Read On, the audiobook show recorded in association with RNIB Talking Books.

I'm your host Robert Kirkwood and today I chat to author Natalie Livingstone about her book The Woman of Nuremberg and also a past book which gave life to the Cliveden Literary Festival.

All that and more on today's Read On.

History is often told through the people who took centre stage.

But what about those whose stories unfolded just beyond the spotlight? This week on Read On, we're joined by historian and best-selling author Natalie Livingstone, whose latest book, The Nuremberg Women, shines a light on eight remarkable women whose work, courage and testimony helped shape one of the most important trials of the 20th century.

We'll also step inside one of Britain's most famous country houses as we revisit the Mistresses of Cliveden and discover how that history led Natalie to create the Cliveden Literary Festival.

My conversation with Natalie Livingstone is coming up, but first, the audiobook of The Nuremberg Women is read by Esther Wayne.

In the solemn galleries of London's Imperial War Museum, there is a simply framed six-foot oil painting depicting the dock of Courtroom 600 in Nuremberg's Palace of Justice.

And who was born the year before George.

And they held residences both at Kew and at Cliveden House in Buckinghamshire.

So the birth of their eldest daughter in 1737 was very traumatic for Augusta because, uh, they were at Hampton Court Palace when she went into labor.

Uh-huh.