Clive Barker

Um, Curry, Curry Barker.

I assume, is he related to Clive Barker? Is he like Clive Barker? Definitely

not.

No.

It's the connection I make of watching a horror movie like chess.

To get into a car and drive down the road is a lot more horrifying than anything Clive Barker could show you on screen, regardless of how gory and grotesque it gets, because that can't actually harm you going 40 miles an hour slamming into your driver's side door, like the car accident I was in a month and a half ago.

It's just, I don't know, life puts things in perspective, and I always feel like...

when I think about cinema and the way things have to be and the things need to be for a lot of what's going on now, it's like, yes, things don't have to be this way anymore, but, like you said, Susan, that's not... it's not holding itself to the same standard it's talking about which is hard uh which is hard with any system obviously but you know this film is talking this film talks about something that isn't supposed to be happening anymore but is still going on but at the same time the people that are involved in the system i think like we've already alluded to would hope that this isn't going on anymore i would like to preach that it's not going on anymore but well It can't go away.

I don't know.

And I don't care because I'm dealing with this self-contained horror story that actually, to me, felt more like I was watching something from Stuart Gordon or Clive Barker.

I mentioned that in my social media post.

this felt like a deep cut horror, Damon.

There's even nudity in this movie, which kind of threw me off because I'm like, it's like I never expect to see nudity in a comic book movie.

It's so left field.

But through and through, and this is why I mentioned Stuart Gordon and Clive Barker, is that they just said in everything that makes...

Matt Hagen Clayface.

So when I watched it as a kid, I've talked about this a million times, but like, there's something so adult in almost like I shouldn't be watching this.

about this movie there's there's a there's the sins that worked into it and he doesn't care he's like i'm the you get time to pay the piper guys so right this guy awesome design he controls these badass creatures that are also awesomely designed by clive barker it's i think you'd be hard pressed to not put him in the hall of fame but

that's me is clive barker gonna be upset that um we're not putting him in as lead Cenobite.

Probably.

We're putting him in as pinhead.

It's because I'm going to get his name wrong.

Clive Barker.

It's not the director.

That's right.

Oh, I'm smart.

Yes.

But Clive Barker got the rights back to the franchise entirely instead of just the company.

And I was that happens like shortly after the chapter came out.

Well, Candyman is a 1992 American urban gothic supernatural horror written and directed by Bernard Rose and starring Virginia Matts and Tony Todd, Xander Berkeley, Cassie Lemons, and Vanessa E. Williams.

Based on Clive Barker's short story, The Forbidden, the film follows a Chicago graduate student completing a thesis on urban legends and folklore, which leads her to the legend of the Candyman, the hook-handed ghost of an African-American artist and son of a slave who was lynched in the late 19th century for his relationship with the daughter of a wealthy white man and who now appears whenever his name is chanted five times in the movie.

Candyman premiered at the 1992 Toronto International Film Festival and was theatrically released on October 16, 1992 in the United States.

It received generally positive reviews and grossed over $25 million in the U.S. on a budget of $8 to $9 million.

Yes.

It's an Irish cinematic classic, even though Clive Barker himself hates it.

But we'll probably pepper it in somehow, but that's another time.

I don't think it's going to happen again.

I have to just accept that it can't be the thing that's in my head.

Words of wisdom I learned from, I went to a seminar with Clive Barker.

And one of the things he said was, you have to be comfortable with the fact that whatever you create is not the thing you set out to create.

And that's just been in my brain for the last, since 1997.

I mean, the film itself, I don't think it's as scary as what the trailer portrays, but anyway.

So the film is based on the short story, The Forbidden, written by Clive Barker, the creator of the Hellraiser series.

And originally, this story was set in Liverpool, and Bernard Rose decided to relocate it to Chicago for a sort of cinematic effect.

And I think the reason for that was also the possibility of making a film about kind of racial tensions as well as sort of class tensions.