Clint Bruce

And we even have a chapter in this book, unique amongst, I think, all cybersecurity books probably that will ever be written.

We have a chapter from a very renowned, redoubtable Navy SEAL, Clint Bruce, uh, who was one of the...

He was a Navy SEAL officer, went to Annapolis, uh, played football for four years, played in the NF- NFL and decided that wasn't challenging enough, so he went to become a Navy SEAL.

And he talked about how his favorite weapon is a map, 'cause a map is bounded.

Um, which I'm not proud of now.

[laughs] I was talking to Clint Bruce this morning before I came over to see you, and, uh, just told him, you know, when I get to heaven, I owe my mom and dad lots of apologies for being a jerk-

[laughs]

... as a kid.

We expect you to respond like that." And they never did anything about it.

Well, there was another new railroad detective had come on named Pete Ramey.

Big man, big as Clint Bruce.

Black guy.