Cliff Morgan

So I, I, I, I could, of course, have mentioned the fact that it was, uh, difficult to get into the ground because we'd been left, it, it appeared deliberately at the wrong door.

But I never forget the, the tutorial I had with Cliff Morgan, who was the head of BBC Radio Sport, which was how to be a commentator.

Uh, and he, he's, one of the, one of the things, I mean, this is, was radio commentary, okay, but I think it applies to, to any kind of commentary.

It, uh, uh, you know, never, never make assumptions about, uh, about the, your listener or viewer, and never put yourself at the center of it.

think Pat won it.

Pat was my boss, too, so she was the first controller of Five, wasn't she? I wonder what Cliff Morgan, because, of course, she and Cliff Morgan ended up living together.

Yes.

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