Do it.

So, um, we have a saying, this is sarcasm, which is, "Sign wars, win wars," which is our joke that, you know, these people that are infatuated with the signs.

So we actually have a guy running for, uh, governor in Massachusetts, Mike Minogue.

Great guy.

Uphill battle, but phenomenal candidate.

Extremely well-funded.

Just a really, like, rational guy who's a common sense solution guy trying to run in Massachusetts, so I wish him the best of luck.

Now being served." And so to get, as a, as a parent, how can I get my family ready for if there's a storm coming? Like, what do you do?

For someone who wants to do more than just post online and complain about the polls and doom and gloom, what are the three most valuable things a person could do right now today to help win, whether that means knocking on doors, making calls, donating, recruiting? Give, give us three action items everyone can take.

Absolutely.

Number one, go to commit100.org. That's commit100.org.

This will be the first two, and then I'll get to my third action item.

If you wanna come out, whether you wanna get paid or whether you wanna volunteer, we are filling Airbnbs in all four of our states.

We are filling hotels, volunteers and paid staff, commit100.org. That's the first.

The second one is find me folks.

Yeah

Uh, wh- when you're out there talking to the MAGA faithful, uh, I mean, this, is this is still an issue that's absolutely the Trump issue, is it not?

No, of course it is.

I mean, listen, we care about being able to create jobs, being able to bring prices down.

Everybody knows that immigration has been a major, uh, problem for that, right? All this cheap labor coming in.

It's something that, uh, not only Trump ran on, but it's something that motivated voters.

We know this from our experience on the ground in 2024, uh, in Pennsylvania.

We know this from our experience right now.

Uh, but and do they understand even, uh, that mass deportations will bring prices down too, like housing costs?

We have a minute left in this seg- segment, but everybody needs to get involved in this.

Here's my big ask to everybody out there.

If you're wondering, how can I get involved? How can you fight on the way that Charlie would want? Come join us, whether it's here in Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire, tpaction.com/100, tpaction.com/100.

Look, we'll pay for you to come out here.

We'll put you up in a hotel.

We've got Tyler Boyer steering the ship here.

Citizens Alliance, Turning Point, this is Charlie's vision to make sure that we have people on the ground in the key Red Wall states.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, whe- when you're out there talking to the MAGA faithful, uh, I mean it, this, is this is still an issue that's absolutely the Trump issue, is it not?

No, of course it is.

I mean, listen, we care about being able to create jobs, being able to bring prices down, and everybody knows that immigration has been a major, uh, problem for that, right? All this cheap labor coming in.

It's something that, uh, not only Trump ran on, but it's something that motivated voters.

We know this from our experience on the ground in 2024, uh, in Pennsylvania.

We know this from our experience right now.

Uh, Citizens Alliance partnering with Turning Point in Nevada, in Arizona, in New Hampshire, uh, to try to build this red wall.

Uh, but and do they understand even, uh, that mass deportations will bring prices down too, like housing costs?

It's why we built-

built-Chase the vote.

That's why we are building out the Red Wall.

That's why we partnered with Cliff Maloney and Citizens Alliance.

So your reflection on this, you know, as we remember the totality of who Charlie was this week on the one-year anniversary, talk about that, him in the field, him with the grassroots.

Yeah, I think one of the biggest things that, that always stuck with me is losers don't legislate, right? This idea that so many people wanna pontificate, so many people wanna talk about ideas, they wanna talk about the principles or legislation they support.

The left plays no games, right? The left understands you must win, you must win electorally if you're going to decide the policies that we live under.

Mm-hmm.

And trying to demonize the Amish is absolutely going to backfire politically.

Yeah, and I think Josh Shapiro is obviously making a play at being the big pharma candidate, right? He needs their money.

He needs their support.

He sees kind of the enemy of Maha being the pushback on Bobby Kennedy because he knows that that Maha coalition is what won Donald Trump the election in 2024.

I mean, Bobby Kennedy, we all remember that event, Charlie putting it together and bringing Bobby Kennedy and Trump to make that endorsement.

The Maha coalition...

This is why I don't care for Josh Shapiro, because he's actually a pretty smart guy.

And that's what Dr. Charles is talking about here, that does it make sense politically to go up and make Maha the biggest possible target for you going into obviously he's running in a reelection himself, but as he's trying to pitch himself as a presidential contender?

And trying to demonize the Amish is absolutely going to backfire politically.

Yeah, and I think Josh Shapiro is obviously making a play of being the big pharma candidate, right? He needs their money.

He needs their support.

He sees kind of the enemy of Maha being the pushback on Bobby Kennedy because he knows that that Maha coalition is what won Donald Trump the election in 2024.

I mean, Bobby Kennedy, we all remember that event, Charlie putting it together and bringing Bobby Kennedy and Trump to make that endorsement.

The Maha coalition...

this is why i don't care for josh shapiro because he's actually a pretty smart guy he's actually a pretty maniacal politician and he knows how much bobby kennedy is a threat to him running and winning not just in 2026 but obviously josh shapiro is going to run for president in 2028 he has to destroy the maha coalition So he wants to be the big pharma candidate.

Obviously, he's running in a reelection himself, but as he's trying to pitch himself as a presidential contender.

Cliff Maloney.

Well, look, I always tell people that, you know, and I think all of us would agree this was Charlie's vision, I mean, you guys taught me this, Charlie taught me this, which is work backwards from the presidential, right? So before we even talk about, hey, how much should we be involved in 2026, how much should we go all in, is it even worth it if, if things look bad, right? If the pessimists wanna say, "Well, we can't hold the House, and the Senate, you know, is gonna be a battle," my answer to that is it doesn't matter, right? We have to build permanent infrastructure in 2026.

We have to compete in 2026 if we want to be competitive for the White House in 2028, which everybody agrees that's what we're focused on.

But in the meantime, what are we doing? Look, we're never gonna move the needle more than five points with any of our ground game efforts, with any of our door-to-door, with any of the Commit 100 programs, and I don't mean that as a bad thing, right? But, like, to think to yourself, "Hey, we're gonna be the ones that can control..." No, look, we can't control a lot of things.

We can't control the messaging of a lot of these campaigns.

We can't control some of the outside forces of what the left puts up or what the actual message of the day is.

But what we can control is do we match the Democrats' tactics? Do we go and fight fire with fire to do what we're doing? Turning Point, Citizens Alliance, we're one of the only two groups, and a couple other partners, that understand the value of putting boots on the ground, paid staff, volunteers.

[laughs]

Cliff Maloney.

Well, look, I always tell people that, you know, and I think all of us would agree this was Charlie's vision.

I mean, you guys taught me this.

Charlie taught me this, which is work backwards from the presidential.

Right.

So before we even talk about, hey, how much should we be involved in 2026? How much should we go all in? Is it even worth it if if things look bad? Right.

If the pessimists want to say, well, we can't hold the House and the Senate, you know, is going to be a battle.

This is real.

But what you have to do is just focus on the material evidence.

Well, let me make one comment that I think that, you know, anyone who's saying, "Well, why were the plates not full of these chicken nugget crumbs?" If you're insane enough to strangle three of your children, and then the argument is that, "Oh, well then, who would then go and do the dishes?" A crazy person would go and do anything that seems out of the ordinary because you just strangled your three children.

So Jack, you're exactly right.

People laser focus on some of these points, but it's like you're missing the whole point of her strangling her children and then acting like she's gonna have coherent thoughts and make decisions that are in tune with reality It just doesn't add up.

And by the way, like you said, she's making this not guilty plea, but she's not saying that her husband did it.

And look, this has been years, and if you have any leverage on her, if you have any threat on her, what could you even have? She lost her three children, the most important thing to pretty much any person on the planet if you're a parent.

So it's like, of course they would come out and make that argument.

What were you saying?

But what you have to do is just focus on the material evidence.

Well, let me make one comment that I think that, you know, anyone who's saying, "Well, why were the plates not full of these chicken nugget crumbs?" If you're insane enough to strangle three of your children, and then the argument is that, "Oh, well then, who would then go and do the dishes?" A crazy person would go and do anything that seems out of the ordinary because you just strangled your three children.

So Jack, you're exactly right.

People laser focus on some of these points, but it's like you're missing the whole point of her strangling her children and then acting like she's gonna have coherent thoughts and make decisions that are in tune with reality.

It just doesn't add up.

And by the way, like you said, she's making this not guilty plea, but she's not saying that her husband did it.

And look, this has been years.

... what were you saying?

What was it?

Yeah, look, I think that at the end of the day, of course, you know, I believe in playing for Team Red, right? Let me start by saying that.

That's my disclaimer, is that in any general election, you know, any of these candidates we look at, I'm not here to go to war for the RINOs.

I'm not here to go to war for the establishment.

But yes, Republicans are better than Democrats, and so when it comes to the general election, we are big believers in playing on Team Red.

However, I am not a believer in this idea that the family cannot have arguments at Thanksgiving.

I do think that the Republicans need to figure out when it comes to primaries, it's healthy.

So Cliff, tell-- what, what is-- like if, if there's one like major thing that we haven't discussed so far that you desperately want people to kind of understand about this process, understand about how they can be more effective, what, what would it be?

Mr. Cliff, um, you wanna do winners and losers in the states you were watching, or you wanna first weigh in on, so somebody put the wrong info on five thumb drives, drove them all the way to headquarters, found out it was wrong, drove all the way back, reloaded the info, then brought it back, then there was this late-night dump, and then the psycho Hong woman lost by 3,756 votes? Just throw the facts out.

Dan, look, this is [laughs] this is why I love your show.

You always go straight to the facts, and then we can break them down.

Look, this whole entire thing with Hong and the moderate, you know, coming up with the votes, of course, if you're a rational person, of course if you see that five of these nine thumb drives, these USBs, are having issues, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to start to ask questions.

But of course they'll accuse you, they'll accuse me, they'll accuse any of the rational folks that I would say are, are pro-liberty and pro-truth for being these election deniers.

Look, we all want the same thing.

We want trust in our elections.

Yep.

Cliff, tell us a little bit about your experience with respect to PA Chase and how critical that's been in the follow-on work that you guys have actually been doing in Pennsylvania.

Yeah.

Well, the story's pretty interesting.

Uh, Nick, as you and Christian know, you know, for many years I've kind of had this idea that door knocking is the lost art on the right, uh, that the left has kind of mastered, right? They, they understand the value of not just volunteers, right? We love our volunteers, but when it comes to electioneering, there are so many different ways to reach voters, whether it's through the mail, TV, digital, radio, texting.

All of those things, Republicans do them the same as Democrats, right? And I've been on this show, I've said it before, like, we have parity on all of those different methods of reaching out to voters.

But where we don't have parity is the idea of paid door knockers.

And so at Citizens Alliance, what we've always done is try to find different races and different efforts and different challenges where we feel that door knocking can really be the answer to solving some of those problems, to winning some of those campaigns.

Mm-hmm.

Oof

... of course it parlays into this USAID situation.

But it's not just that, right? And I do wanna talk about what we're seeing on the ground in states like Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire, states we're in right now.

But the craziest thing is when people have to understand what you said in the opener here.

When you support socialists, when you go woke, you go broke.

Amen.

But then two, through groups like us doing our own 501[c][3] and 501[c][4] at Citizens Alliance to go out and actually do what the Democrats do, beat them at their own game and go get these Republicans that are not likely to vote, take it out there and vote.

But there's two things.

From a historical perspective, what happens every time a society tries to implement a that combination of ideas.

Yeah, not good things, right? I mean, it's definitely not a constitutional republic or any of the principles that this nation was founded on.

And look, I think the biggest decision that the American political process is going to have is not who the Republican nominee is in 2028.

Right.

There's plenty of good folks running.

I'm all in for J.D. Vance.

But the reality is, who are the Democrats going to put up? And here's why that matters, because that will be the signal.

And now, Cliff, what do the founders' writings tell us about how a free people are supposed to respond when a political movement starts openly rejecting the Constitution itself?

They were, you know, sidewalk knocking, going out, and they're getting homeless people to sign up.

Yeah, and look, I always tell people, you know, we do a lot of door knocking, a lot of chasing ballots, but I'm not the one that says, "Hey, I like the rules," right? California proves that.

I mean, Spencer Brat, I love Spencer.

I think he ran a fantastic campaign.

I think his messaging was raw, was real, was authentic.

It should be something that every Republican does.

Here's the problem.

Yeah

The other 150, 180 endorsements for this year's midterm cycle, he's like 99%, right?

Yeah, and that's what I said.

I mean, I think people have to understand.

I mean, look, Dan, a lot of candidates get mad at me.

They come to me and say, hey, I'm thinking about running for Congress, or I'm thinking about trying to get this U.S. Senate seat.

And it's like, look, if you don't have a path to the Trump endorsement, you might as well save your time, save your energy, right? Put your efforts to something that can actually win, because that's how powerful it is.

And I think that the GOP right now, if you're really thinking about running for office, Last night, once again, proved, like you said, I mean, the Zach Lawn and some of these other races, sure, the Trump endorsement didn't work out, but it's practically worked out 100% of the time.

It just shows who Democrat voters are, putting pieces of you-know-what like this at the top of their voting.

[laughs] That's right.

So the, the truth is, it probably...

I don't even know how many calls you'd have to make to have 35 conversations.

I mean, you're talking weeks of time to try to get 35 cold people on the phone.

So I always tell people, you know, when you look at all the different ways of electioneering, it really, it, it, it is the most effective ROI.

But here's the other thing.

It's also the hardest electioneering to do.

Mm-hmm.

What's your dream role? What's your dream role?

Um, I played Billy Flynn in Chicago, and that was like, it was just a really cool role.

It's like the leading male, but the male is not the lead.

It's the two women, obviously.

But, um-

so much happier if they just deleted Instagram.

Well, when you figure if you're in your 30s or 40s, you know, you're raising kids in the era of, like, you have to be a victim.

You know, we've kinda gone over the hump of that, and it's like I think they're probably fighting for priv- privilege points, and it's like you said, everybody's critical on social media.

But first, history.

44 was great.

It's exhilarating.

It's interactive.

Every actor was great.

It's worth seeing.

Don't miss it.

It's like the one time the right actually tried to do this.

so much happier if they just deleted Instagram.

When you figure if you're in your 30s or 40s, you know, you're raising kids in the era of, like, you have to be a victim.

You know, we've kinda gone over the hump of that, and it's like I think they're probably fighting for priv- privilege points, and it's like you said, everybody's critical on social media

Mm.

Right? I, I mean, and I, I don't mind saying this on the air, like, I really have to do it to raise the money, right? Like, to have a pro- To, to get the people to apply for door-knocking, sure.

But, like, really the public perception is, well, all these other groups are doing this.

Like, it's about, you know, being able to reach donors and having-

How is that happening?

Yeah.

Well, one of the things we talk about in the book is the difference between, you know, a primary election and a general election.

And a lot of times what people don't realize is in some of these districts, most of the voters are walking in, and they're not even looking at the name, right? They're just looking at the party.

They're voting straight party, or they're voting for the candidate that is represented by whatever party they stick with.

That's both for Republicans and for Democrats.

And so a lot of these districts, it's not the general election that matters, right? It's the primary.

Yeah.

And yes, of course, I texted friends and things like that, but what does that mean? How do we do it? What, what do we need to do?

Yeah, I mean, I think, look, in a lot of these states, you know, Pennsylvania, where I spend a lot of time, there's 900,000 what we call Republicans that are registered to vote that are not expected to vote in 2026.

So as much as it sounds like it's the same old adage, it, it is, Jesse.

You gotta talk to a lot of your friends, a lot of your family.

If you're an individual and you're not working with an organization or a committee or a group, you gotta talk to these folks that are not usually voting, because that is it.

If we get blue-collar folks to come out and vote, they're not gonna vote for the communists, right? They're gonna vote Republican, some of the Republicans that we don't even like 'cause they don't do anything.

They have no spine.

Why? Why are they able to turn their people out and we just are not?