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When I worked with him at Cliff College, he used to tell me about this great podcast called Cooper and Kerry Have Words, which I actually still haven't listened to.

I haven't taken his advice.

Well, I went straight to the

Uh, it's interesting that you did preaching workshops.

I think that, um, it's, it's about, again, as you say, the, um, bringing the text, the, the, the authority of the text to bear.

So I do actually think that there's, I, when I would teach the preaching classes, um, at Cliff College years ago, it was, um, often saying it's, It's quite dangerous when people end up saying this is a way of how someone preaches.

Because there's something actually about the human personality which does matter.

Look, as I said at the start, you're an academic.

You had been lecturing in theology around preaching and mission at Cliff College.

If I understand it right, it's Methodist affiliated, but quite evangelical.

But long and short, it was about two or three years ago, you tweeted, in this case around the question of homosexuality and what the church is, teaches and says about things and all of a sudden as you will know better because you are living this still uh your college uh had a meltdown uh effectively fired you and even thought about putting you on to the the counter-terrorism the anti-terrorism police i mean talk talk listeners through what happened to you because it's just a mind-boggling story

which is somewhere I'd love to go and revisit.

But we went to Cliff College, which is the Methodist Theological College, and we did some filming.

Can you explain what we were filming for?

Yeah, I think we talked about this in the last podcast, but it was for a course called the Family and Intergenerational Ministry Essentials Course, which Cliff is... putting together it's going to be on the Theology X platform so it's an online thing and we have written the intergenerational worship module which is going alongside a bunch of other great modules and we filmed So some of the presenting they wanted us to do on the first day, just bits to camera.

And since then, Andy has developed a lifetime of experience in Christian outreach.

Andy has a master's degree in missiology and culture from Sheffield University, Cliff College, and has invested his life in Christian missions, first at Youth Unlimited, then at Wellspring Foundation, and now at the Canadian Food Grains Bank.

He'll share how, as well, the unexpected death of his 28-year-old son has shaped his life.

And in hearing Andy's story, I think we're going to be reminded of the importance of fueling all of our lives with the gift of daily Bible reading.