Claudia Black

I grew up in an abusive, volatile home.

And if you know anything about dysfunctional family systems, especially the work of family therapists like Salvador Minuchin, who we've talked about a lot on this show, or Claudia Black, you know that every kid in a chaotic home takes on a role to survive.

Some become the scapegoat.

Some become the lost child.

And now I would say, of all the training that I've done, and I've been able to sit under some amazing mentors as well and some giants in this field, I feel so lucky and fortunate.

And I love that you gave credit where credit's due to Frank and David, and we could go down the list with me sharing White Shatter Cruise and Claudia Black and some of the... my sheroes that I have been guided and mentored by.

They credit where credit's due.

And I'm curious, though, for all of us out there that are listening and those in the audience, those that are mental health professionals and those that are home and just learning about our field, the practical side of this equation.