Clark Pinnock

This is open theism? Yeah, open theism.

And the whole idea here is that, well, Greg Boyd and there were several other guys that were talking about this, Clark Pinnock and some of these guys.

And the idea was that they would come to a passage like that.

I had a professor, love this guy at Bethel, but he kind of had the same idea, that when you see God say, well, now I know, that they go, well, this means that God in his essence couldn't know, otherwise the language is, it's a lie.

Presence of God himself, this loving presence.

And that quote from Clark Pinnock again, another quote, Christ dwells in our hearts by faith and the spirit sweeps us up into the love of God.

Walking in the spirit We become even better acquainted with the love that surpasses knowledge.

The Spirit summons us to a transforming friendship with God that leads to sharing in the triune life, sharing in the great triune God and his love for us.

Others find that deeply troubling, and they're not on the fringe.

Theologians in the open and relational traditions such as Clark Pinnock and Greg Boyd, and more recently Thomas J. Ord in a 2015 book called The Uncontrolling Love of God, argued that if God planned the sale of Joseph, then God planned the abuse of a teenager.

And they say a God who plans abuse is very hard to call love.

They read Genesis 50 verse 20 as God taking what humans truly meant for evil and weaving it into good without willing the evil itself.