Claremont Review of Books

Now, Spencer's a classicist with an Oxford doctorate.

He's an editor at the Claremont Review of Books.

He's host of a podcast called The Young Heretics.

Spencer's a really smart guy.

Who did I ever...

I guess I wrote it for the Claremont Review.

It was one of the first times that I wrote a really negative review of a prominent, and definitely more prominent than me, conservative intellectual type who was like, quote-unquote, "on the team." But I thought it was a bad book, and I thought the, the core argument was a bad argument.

It was also remarkably prophetic about where big chunks of the right are going, and it, it, in retrospect, it makes a lot of sense that Dinesh wrote that book and saw things that way.

You would have been better off literally the entire time.

Claremont Review of Books would have given you a much better understanding of the world.

Frankly, City Journal, you know, like all of these places on the right.

And actually, I have to say, like this piece includes Heather MacDonald.

literally the entire time.

Claremont Review of Books would have given you a much better understanding of the world.

Frankly, City Journal, you know, like all of these places on the right.

And actually, I have to say, like, this piece includes Heather MacDonald.

What you are about to watch is a conversation that I had at a live event with Michael Anton.

You might know Michael Anton from Trump One or you might know him from his writings in the Claremont Review of Books or his his fellowship at the Claremont Institute or his professorship at Hillsdale College.

Or his time spent in Trump, too, where he was leading the policy planning shop over at the State Department working on things like the national security strategy and things of that nature.

And Michael has been out of the administration for about a year or so.

You've heard Spencer before.

He's the host of the Young Heretics podcast, also an editor at the Claremont Review of Books, teaching at the University of Austin this semester as well.

His brand new book, A Way With Words, comes out in a few weeks.

Spencer, welcome back.

And, and we never held them to account.

Uh, when I was publisher of the Claremont Review of Books, one of my colleagues, Angelo Codevilla, had written that we ought to take 5,000 members of the Saudi royal family and essentially put them on trial and string them up, and let them be an example to the Islamic world that the United States is not gonna be treated that way.

We had an arrangement with them that we would provide them with protection so long as they kept the Islamic part of the world, the Sunni world, in check.

They didn't do that.