Clapton

no, it's quite a good vintage, really.

So I'm just down Leverage Road in Clapton in Hackney.

Oh, yes.

Well, I went to

And I think there is that...

I mean, the River Lee, it's a barrier in some ways because there aren't that many crossings of it.

But on the other hand, it does mean places like Clapton.

I think, yes, I think it's Clapton that Walter Mead lived.

And I think there are two specific offences that are in play here.

Do you want to just go through as simply as possible what those offences are? In other words, on the face of the material that all of us have seen, in this verbatim investigation, the words spoken by James Orr, by Dan Jukes, and then the meeting in Clapton involving Nigel Farage.

On the face of it, what are the criminal offences that are potentially in play here?

Right.

From going around the country for so long, you know, in and around election campaigns and in between, I don't think that's something that people actually get fed up with.

I mean, even in Clapton-

Mm

... you know, that byelection was being seen as a farce in Westminster, but, you know, the people turned out, you know, in a decent turnout and cast their votes.

I don't know if it's a Black thing, but when we get into situations like that, when you meet people and it's for the first time, I'm very, very conscious of how I speak and what I'm talking about.

I grew up in Clapton, where I had white friends, and some of them I wasn't allowed to go in their house.

So if I go knock for Paul, it's all right to knock his door, but his dad don't allow us to come in.

"Well, yeah, yeah, it's 'cause you're Black.

Why are they on our estate doing a video?" Like, basically, we needed to ask them permission.

Colin was like, "Hold on a second.

I don’t know if you’re, um, fully aware of who I am, but my name’s Colin Brown, yeah, and that’s my partner over there, and we are the kings of Clapton.

Like, we put Clapton on the map.