Clanwilliam

It's about growing wealth so one can support a whole ecosystem, and I think that would be the challenge.

And in many areas, like Vaalboomskraal in the Southern Cape, Koue Bokkeveld in the Western Cape, maybe areas like Clanwilliam up the West Coast, Heinersburg up north, there's many areas where I see a very strong and healthy collaboration of farmers working not just to enrich their pockets, but also looking after the community.

And then what often happens, the community looks after you in all of those aspects which I mentioned.

That's the one aspect.

But they're in the book.

I'm not promoting the book, but they are in the Borskloof, where I spoke about Edenfeld, near Clan William.

There's a place called the Cederberg Swemgat.

It's got cottages.

So I'll be at a table.

I was up in Clanwilliam.

Everybody's talking in Afrikaans.

I'm like, "Hello.