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I'm Dana, and in this episode, we're joined by environmental scientist Dr. Adam Cardellini, whose research explores how our relationships with animals and nature shape science, society, and the environment.

His work spans animal ethics, conservation, and climate action, with a focus on increasing moral consideration for animals and understanding how people engage with environmental change.

Through a social science lens, Adam asks a simple but powerful question.

How would research and society change if we truly considered the moral value of other animals? I think our supporters are going to love this angle.

I have a studies and research, early studies education was in biological science, environmental science and ecological genomics.

And so very traditional science sort of education degree did that at Deakin University many years ago now.

And during that degree, I was learning all about how science works, how science uses animals.

And I was inculturated into that and during my honours degree I did some work on mast latwings, beautiful, beautiful birds and I really connected with them, but then in my PhD I did work on European starlings or the common starling and In Australia, they are considered not so nicely.

This is when the format switches to a much more spelling bee style.

When it's their turn, a contestant steps up to a microphone and a judge would read a Bible verse citation.

and they had to recite the entire passage on the spot.

If they made any mistakes, they were eliminated right then, you know, right there on the spot.

You didn't get the hot buzzer goss?

But one of the first big changes was that they did away with them having to show up in person for the qualifying round.

They got away from handwritten exams and in-person oral recitations and switched to a fully online model for that round.

So you started doing it all from home.

It didn't ruin it.

It confirmed it.

Somewhere out there, a model is quietly auditing the open source world one repository at a time and mailing the results straight to the humans with nothing in between.

You're saying that, like, it's a threat.

The maintainers asked for exactly this.

Everyone always asks for it right before it becomes the default.

That's not a law of physics.

No, it's a law of something worse.

Oh, Jesus Christ, dude.

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And thanks to this brave explorer, this will from henceforth be known as the Humboldt River Delta.

Hey, can we come swim now?