[laughs]

...by all accounts.

Um, never seen them as confident about winning an All-Ireland.

Um, but, uh, yeah, listen, I suppose when you stand back, Col, and look at it, I, I think it's an interesting clash of styles, um, in my view, and I, I'm really looking forward to see how it, how it works out.

Um, you know, they met in the league, and, and Mayo were obviously a different team.

There were a lot of changes since then, but in terms of their style of play, it was probably pretty similar in the way they, they play that high pressing game.

Um, and when you...

Mm

Yeah

...

I think in the, in the Leinster Championship.

And I remember talking them up, saying they had a lot of quality ballers.

They had big men.

They could all play football.

They were all comfortable in possession.

[laughs]

it something you were really keen to do, like the idea of it, like the punditry or just? It

just happened, Joe, being honest.

Yeah, it just happened.

I, you know, I'd done a couple in 10 and then I signed up in 11 and done a lot more in 11.

That would have been the first All-Ireland final I would have worked on.

And 11 and 16 years later, yeah, I'm still still there.

And like that's kind of has evolved over over that period.

What's the big difference do you find between a good club player one who can make the leap to county and make an impact at county and ones who can't because I'm sure you see a lot of very good club