Ciaran Cassidy

And she was really helpful in the early stages of getting this to, you know, a treatment that was really strong that we could go to the BBC with and kind of be confident that you know, they wouldn't want to miss out on doing this with us.

And then also it was, it became in my head more clearly a investigative, sorry, a long form series, 10 parts when I got Cass involved because I just knew how good Ciarán Cassidy was at at editing documentaries, like his ability to kind of tell stories has, you know, his radio documentaries and RT Radio 1 were phenomenal.

They were world class, you know.

And I think he's like one of the best documentary, audio documentary makers to ever come out of Ireland.

Justine, what was the, the atmosphere like?

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I, I hope you can hear me clearly.

I can, I can hear you.

Uh, that decision never appealed either by the DPP.

But, um, uh, then he, he seemed to have escaped justice, and people like Justine McCarthy and others who, who we've already spoken to k- kept, kept the fight going, and she wrote a book about it, Deep Deception, actually in between both with, with the Murphy report as well, just looked into George Gibney and Derry O'Rourke and all of that.

And then Chalky mentioned Mark and the podcast a few times, and that's a reference to Mark Horgan, who, with Ciaran Cassidy and, and, and Evan Daly and others, um, brought this all back to public attention a few years ago with the BBC podcast, Where is George Gibney? And, and then these four women that Chalky thanked, they came forward.

It meant new charges could be brought, and it meant that George Gibney is going to spend much of what's left of his life, one would suspect, behind bars.