Christopher R McCurdy

So typically in Thailand they'll go two or three nodes back on the branch, so getting a little bit older leaf, and pick those leaves.

And from Chris McCurdy, Dr. Chris McCurdy, University of Florida, he had an intern that was from Thailand, and that's how he learned about this picking technique that was, uh, the traditional way that they would consume kratom.

And when they tested those leaves, they actually found that those little bit older leaves had a little bit higher mitragynine and a little bit lower, I think, speciocylitine.

And so essentially in the plant itself, as the new leaf is produced, it produces speciocylitine, which then through some of the enzyme process in the leaf, as it gets a little bit older, will convert some of that into mitragynine.

Look, for numbers, you know, University of Florida does a ton of this research.

Guy, Chris McCurdy, is sharp guy, and you know, they talk about two million people using kratom on a daily basis.

They think it's h- more towards, like, 20 million in the United States on a daily basis, not like once a year.

That's a huge number.