Astonishingly good book.

And it's interesting that Vico's come up because he makes this exact argument about Jean-Baptiste Vico and talks about how that proposal that I know a thing if I can make it.

essentially represents one of those pivotal metamorphoses of our relationship with the greater mysteries and the declension of that relationship with the greater mysteries.

This association of understanding with fabrication, with the materiality of our own hand in creation, divorced from our ability to connect up with that which is prior to us, beyond our capacity to create.

And it seems like that schism is very much on display here.

And I think that's what you're tapping into Guy, which is what are we doing here? What is the activity? What is the nature of what we're doing when we gather to contemplate this? The thing I wonder is what set of conditions about the practice of that discussion would have to change in order for the nature of the exercise to change? Temperamentally, materially, what could you do to redress that room that would affect some kind of shift beneath the ground of the conversation such that it could become a different kind of conversation? I don't even know if that's possible with that group of people, but as a thought experiment, I'd be interested to know what that would look like.

If we set about to say, well, we're literally going to change the color of the walls.

that?