Christophe Willem

And I think if they're dealing with the same situation, say it's another pop gig, that's similar to Sugar Babes or something else, and they see you did that on Sugar Babes and they liked it, then it's quite easy for them to go, okay, so do you want to try being this thing? That didn't happen directly for me at the time.

I had to do another audition for a French artist called Christophe Willem, and his music directors were Kylie's music directors.

Right.

The audition for Kristoff, which I got thankfully, and that led to a year and a half of touring with him in France, which was fantastic.