So what are you up to right now?

Mm-hmm.

So, um, for those who aren't familiar with kind of our story, we're on the west coast of, uh, of Canada.

We're just off of a small island called Vancouver Island, which is, uh, just west of Vancouver.

Uh, my wife Kelly and I planted a church here like 15 years ago, and then a year and a half were sent out by that church to plant again, and now we're partnering up with Brett and Natalie Donald, who, uh, planted a Soma church in the Burnaby, like Vancouver area, and our families are co-planting a new work here at the very, very beginning stages of, uh, yeah, a plant in sort of more the urban core of the city.

And so we're just trying to figure out how to make disciples in what is one of Canada's most secular cities, and so it's been m- mostly fun.

Definitely been a different experience, different challenge, but we've, we've been enjoying...

Bring me back to even before West Village, um, ministry experience, but how gospel centrality kinda came ... about for you? When, when did that come online, and what was that experience, but what did that do in you and how did that happen?

Good.

Yeah, I think I would just like to maybe like double click on what Brett said there and just say like a taxonomy that that's been helpful for me as I've thought through it is like I want to think less like an architect and more like an archaeologist.

So an architect has a plan and they're going to they're going to execute their plan regardless of context.

what is in front of them so it's like we want this house built on this piece of land and so they're gonna whatever needs to happen in order to get that house built or that suburban neighborhood built it's like boom plow it out you know just change the landscape dam off the river and then build what you want to build and i think a lot of times um in church planting, we have a play or a plan that we run and, you know, we might tweak the music or put candles in our worship services to make it, you know, contextualized.

But at the end of the day, we're trying to run a particular play without having given a ton of thought to the people who are actually impacted by what we're doing, who we're trying to reach.

And that's where like thinking maybe more like an archeologist comes in where it's like, you go in curious, wanting to learn wanting to learn the story of the neighborhood and the people that you're connecting with asking the question like what would it look like if the kingdom of god were to show up here in this neighborhood or this community as it's currently constituted where is jesus already at work where are there already good things happening that i can join in where are there already natural like watering holes where i can go and meet people instead of always having to feel like i have to create my own that people come to my thing And I think that then really starts to shape the rhythms of your community, the rhythms of your disciple making, like when you gather, where you gather, what you do when you gather, the kind of language you use, how you frame up so much of what you're doing, because you're discovering it as you go instead of determining it before you even show up.

And so I really feel like that has been a helpful perspective, like even down to like how we think about how we thought about fundraising, more like a missionary, less like a church planter, how we think about, you know, what parts of the neighborhood we're moving into, what we're doing with our evenings, things like that.

Chris, what would you add to that? Yeah,