[upbeat music] My name is Chris Sutton.

I am the owner of Sutton Engineering.

So we're an MEP firm based out of, uh, Dallas, Texas.

We do the mechanical, electrical, and plumbing design for data centers, also fire protection and controls as well.

So all the design, draw the pretty pictures and models, everything we do is in-house.

I think honestly, just training.

That's only in Ohio.

So, [laughs] so, uh, yeah, depends on which one's...

I mean, if you know for a fact he's two and he's 150, don't get me wrong, that's...

That'd be crazy in Georgia.

I ain't saying it don't happen, but if you got history with them and you know they're aren't...

If you bet, Josh Bomar said it best, "Bet on the deer to make it."

Because-

I would say, I would say the public because I went and found that deer short, in a short period of time.

Talk a little bit about the chance encounter that I only deal has at the Rainbow.

It seems to me like they had about two or three near chance or slightly set up encounters.

One at a party where I only met, they had a party organised by Sharon Osbourne, who I think he was, Sharon Arden as she was at the time.

Sorry.

He knew her very, very well indeed.

And the other encounter was at Rainbow Bar and Grill, that famous place in Los Angeles.

And I think I owe me at that point, by the time you met Dio was solidly thinking of, of a solo album, not for the first time, this happens later on in his career as well, but he was never going to get a solo album past the record company for the simple reason.

thought so at the time, yeah.

What happened? What, what, what's the story here?

Well, the story is, is that...

Well, Ronnie James Dio, I think he's generally very believable about most of what he says.

He's, he's saying that they had times to come in to sit down and do the mix.

So they'd turn up, h- him and Vinnie, and Geezer and Tony wouldn't be there and would come in later.

So they would start work, um, with the engineer and, um, doing the mix and sorting stuff out and whatever and what have you.

And then, um, Tony and, and Geezer would come in later and work on it, and then their work would be changed the following morning by, by Ronnie, uh, who says he just wouldn't do that.

Two or three?

... for the people listening, what's the, what's the one deer story about a buck that, like, just gave you the runaround and sort of taught you everything?

Oh, it would definitely be the one I snared shoot.

He was, he was gonna be my biggest with a bow.

You know, all summer watching him grow.

And opening day it rained.

I knew he was gonna be there early.

Sure enough, so I got in the stand early.

Okay

Chris, when did you discover Ronnie James Dio, that era of Black Sabbath, and how did you feel about it in terms of him being a replacement for Ozzy?

I don't know what it was like in the USA, maybe slightly different, but, but over in England I'd been into rock music for some time.

I'd got into Black Sabbath around the time of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, sort of '73.

Um, and then Rainbow popped up after Deep Purple, and, and that's where we first, most of us knew about Ronnie James Dio was because he was Rainbow's vocalist, and those first, um, three studio albums and live album with Rainbow were extremely well received in the UK and Europe.

I'm not sure how much they went down in America.

But, um, I mean, people really embraced Ronnie James Dio as a great rock and roll singer.

Um, so we knew his quality, and it was an enormous shock when he left Rainbow.

Was there a point when Tony Iommi seriously considered ending the band?

When did you discover Ronnie James Dio, that era of Black Sabbath, and how did you feel about it in terms of him being a replacement for Ozzy?

I don't know what it was like in the USA, maybe slightly different, but, but over in England, I'd been into rock music for some time.

I got into Black Sabbath around the time of Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath, or '73.

Um, and then Rainbow popped up after Deep Purple, and, and that's where we first, most of us knew about Ronnie James Dio, was because he was Rainbow's vocalist, and those first, um, three studio albums and live album with Rainbow were extremely well received in the UK and Europe.

I'm not sure how much they went down in America.

But, um, I mean, people really embraced Ronnie James Dio as a great rock and roll singer.

Um, so we knew his quality, and it was an enormous shock when he left Rainbow.

The name change, legal reasons for that?

Chris, what, what do you make of that? Have you ever heard of that before? And, and is that, is that more confusion in this handball law which seems to confuse every football fan?

fan?Well, Harry Kane was, uh, certainly having a word with the referee at, at half-time.

Um, yeah, it, it, it just seems quite a dangerous precedent to, to set really.

I, I, I just looked at the, you know, the position of his arm.

It was up and out and away, and, you know, I understand [laughs] Dale's interpretation, but that's quite a dangerous interpretation.

The, the sort of, y- you know, to, to, to use the word unexpected in there, how do you, how do you, how do you prove that? That's a, y- you know, it's a dangerous precedent to set where players could just, just raise their arm when a, when a teammate crosses a ball in and says, "Well, I didn't expect it, so how can you award a penalty?"

So this is just another example of this really complicated handball law where the general fan can't really be expected to keep up with these things that are in guidance that aren't even written in the laws if someone were to go and look it up.

All, all these sub-laws a- and, and everything, though, s- somebody wat- somebody watching, you know, the, the game on the television tonight, uh, I mean, would, would've just been totally baffled by, by that decision.

Yeah, they did last time out, but Celtic last week against Falkirk, do you feel they're maybe starting to hit their stride at the right time? Daizen Maeda in particular.

Yeah, I think that, uh, Daizen, Daizen Maeda coming back, uh, into form is, you know, seems pretty timely.

I, I still think Celtic have, uh, you know, have been pretty patchy, uh, this season.

Even in the victory against Falkirk, got to 2-1, a little bit nervy.

They needed that third goal.

So listen, uh, Celtic haven't, haven't hit form all season.

Maybe this is the time when, uh, you know, if, if they start hitting it, that'll be good for them.

Yeah, just gonna say, how key is that for Celtic? N- They're all must-wins at this time of the season, but given their two rivals play tomorrow, is this, this what makes this so exciting?