Chris Saunders
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Sep 28, 2026
The Artist Economy: Episode 08 — Songs Don’t Have Release Dates, They Have Discovery Dates
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6:14Chris SaundersGUEST
I think no artist should be allowing any of their future music to be trained on AI.
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42:25Michael WalkerHOST
I feel like having an application process for co-creation, for collaboration, for having a network ability so that you can get matched up with people who you resonate with or who are going to help you co-create together, I think is an interesting area that we can explore more.
The Artist Economy: Episode 07 — Who Owns the Future of Music?
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6:26Chris SaundersGUEST
I mean, if you know the story of how I Will Always Love You was written, because a lot of people might hear that song and just think it was, oh, this must have been about someone like she was in a relationship with or was like romantic with or something like that, because some people have said it's the most romantic song written of all time.
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6:47Chris SaundersGUEST
It's actually, she wrote it originally for someone who was kind of her manager slash mentor, duet partner, producer, television partner, like a real business relationship, actually.
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7:00Chris SaundersGUEST
And They basically worked together early in her career, and he really put her on the map in a lot of ways and was a hugely instrumental beginning of her career.
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The Artist Economy: Episode 06 — Where Do We Draw the Line on AI Music?
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3:39Chris SaundersGUEST
Like, this is interesting because substantially human made is a cool concept.
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3:45Chris SaundersGUEST
OK, we're putting together some guardrails for this AI generative music that maybe is is weighted towards humanity.
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63:15Michael WalkerHOST
What does 2.4x growth in a year mean for the thing that you're betting your catalog against?
Tree Dog Tuesday: Live from Oaks with Saunders and Ahring
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26:04Chris SaundersGUEST
I would have to give him some props, though, 'cause I had to walk in there.
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26:08Chris SaundersGUEST
Me and Duke walked to a tree, and walked the Duke's dog, and Flesh was treated another 300 farther on.
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26:16Chris SaundersGUEST
And I walked onto her, and he did drive down the side of a corn field to pick me up.
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26:42Chris SaundersGUEST
But I'm in kind of a bind on that one 'cause, uh, unbeknownst to me, uh, well, I did know it, but I didn't pay any attention, I'm leaving for Belize Sunday.
The Artist Economy: Episode 05 — Who Gets to Speak for the Artist?
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14:37Chris SaundersGUEST
What I think they're really trying to do here is they realize the slop music is... killing their reputation.
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The Artist Economy: Episode 04 — The Week the Music Industry Started Checking IDs
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4:08Chris SaundersGUEST
It's a foot in the door technique for Spotify to start owning the ecosystem.
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4:14Chris SaundersGUEST
Do y'all remember when the Internet was cool and Facebook was cool and everything was like, oh, we're going to connect with our friends.
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24:17Michael WalkerHOST
And is this your decision versus your distributor? So the question at the table is, is licensed fan remixing a new distribution surface or is it renting out the one asset that you actually own for a share of an add-on subscription that nobody has even priced yet?
The Artist Economy: Episode 03 — Who Gets Paid When AI Uses Music?
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24:09Chris SaundersGUEST
I think this is fascinating because, you know, the last story we just talked about was about who gets paid.
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24:18Chris SaundersGUEST
And Europe, specifically Germany, is interesting because they have all their artists and session musicians in sort of this collection society, right? And so they're able to move more quickly on regulation.
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24:30Chris SaundersGUEST
So what's interesting to me about this is technology is not changing, right? Um, it isn't moving faster or at different speeds.
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37:22Michael WalkerHOST
And so the question is, [lip smack] uh, if the majors keep growing on a handful of catalog and superstar names, what's the actual strategy for everyone else? Do we try to compete for that lane, or do we leave it?
The Artist Economy: Episode 02 — Who Owns Music in the Age of AI?
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30:59Chris SaundersGUEST
Yeah, Suno being hacked is not the story, right? It's, uh, the story is that AI companies are leaving...
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31:05Chris SaundersGUEST
I think they're leaving the, like, move fast and break things philosophy and entering a kind of show your work era.
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So, and my que- I guess my question is, like, if Suno had licensed every song from day one but they made a worse model, would artists trust it more? I don't know.
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I Love Boro Me - Episode One - Your Favourite Boro Season?
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10:16JimmyHOST
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10:17Chris SaundersGUEST
And watching us at Chelsea the following week, got the 90, I think it was the 85th minute, and Di Matteo scored for us to lose 1-0.
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10:32Chris SaundersGUEST
And then afterwards, you know, we've got the point that Nottingham Forest, beautiful goal from Janinho.
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39:21JimmyHOST
Were you there for the Coca-Cola Cup final?
Our Common Nature: West Virginia Coal
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Latif NasserHOST
But the other miners let her know that a woman, and a Black woman at that, wasn't part of the boys' club.
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22:36Chris SaundersGUEST
Uh, I'm gonna treat you with love and kindness regardless of what you say or do to me." She said, "Sometimes you just gotta let it roll off your back and keep on doing what you gotta do." And she had a guy that was always wanted to tell her the N-word jokes.
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22:54Chris SaundersGUEST
Write them out for me and let me read 'em." So every day, he writing these big, long jokes and she would just fold 'em up, fold 'em up.
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35:41Ana GonzalezGUEST
On April 5th, 2010, a little after 3:00 PM, one of the teams at Upper Big Branch burrowed into a pocket of methane gas that exploded and ignited the unventilated coal dust.


