But I wanna know when Carmel began just to really th- start thinking seriously about Dry Land as a part of the full athletic development system and not just extra work.

Well, I would say I took over as head coach in 2006, and I just didn't want Carmel to be...

I, I wanted to go to another level, and I wanted to think holistically about the athlete and the, and, and the program.

And so as an...

I'm just...

You know, as I think back upon this, a lot of coaches at the time just did Dry Land because that's what they did in college or that's what they did in high school, and at some point I go, "There's gotta be a better way than just going around your weight room and go, 'Oh, there's the bench press machine.

Oh, there's the squat machine.

Mm

Sure

... and he would bring all of these ideas together.

He would record these demos, and then, um, you know, The High Crusade was, uh, Alex Shelley, Chris Sabin, myself, Adam Tetrault, and the maple leaf muscle, Petey Williams.

Um, we would all just kind of, like, follow Adam's lead and, you know, layer our own sort of ideas on top of it, and then Alex Shelley always wrote his own lyrics.

Um, with this band, we have multiple, you know, primary songwriters, if you will.

We have multiple people that are sharing ideas in varying states of genesis.

So, you know, um, I have the fortunate privilege that I work full-time remote making websites and doing cool art and design stuff.

Oh my God.