Chris Jones

I don't know.

That was a Chris Jones thing, wasn't it? Maybe it was.

Maybe it was 2018.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Uh, a- and my two cents on that is, I've had, and I kinda, when I hear Mike Ba- Babcock, I think Chris Jones in a sense, you know.

Okay.

Kinda talk to you very directly, do some maybe erratic things.

Yep.

Uh, I look at them kinda the same.

And Chris Jones, he kept it real with you, and I really respected that.

Uh, I really valued that, and it made me i- quite frankly, play harder, because I knew exactly where I stood.

Great history.

Chris Jones and Sean Lemon coming at each other one day in Beamer.

I call that.

And then Deron Carter running over Rick Campbell.

And I know we're chatting a lot about the coaches, the players app, but got to give Ed Hervey a lot of credit too, man.

Going back to his first regime, he knocked it out of the park with the first hire of Chris Jones.

The second hire, I guess that maybe wasn't even a Hervey hire that when Chris Jones came back, but Ed was able to like, I wasn't working in media around then, but it kind of seemed like a slam dunk that it was going to be Rick Campbell.

Or at least it felt like Rick Campbell was a shoo-in to be the next head coach.

And it was a bit of a swerve, and now Rick Campbell is still on the staff.

Calgary.

I've had two different sets of kind of like – stints in Edmonton when it comes to like two different fields in the organization as far as like the importance of the game like you know you had Chris Jones and Ed there and then we had Ed and Jason and then we had Brock and Jason so like the difference is not a lot it's just the importance of you know first of all The winner of this game typically was the one that was going to host the West Final.

So it was like, we can get a two-game swing no matter what.

It's also like...

And knowing that not only we won, but I had a vital part in us winning.

It was a great feeling.

You have to tell me about the discussion you had with Chris Jones late in the game about the challenge flag.

Remind everybody about that story and what the situation was.

He didn't know.

to come work for the Elks and this is when Chris Jones was the GM and I went worked out for them in Tampa and they made it seem like I had a really good workout I had a good 40 time did really well at the one-on-ones and Chris Jones pulled me aside in the middle of the workout he was like who are you where you from what's your story like I'm interested, like, thinking about bringing you in, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And I kind of told them everything.

Like, I don't have any previous history of playing football.

And one thing Hervey did...

And despite Chris Jones trying to falsely take claims of some of the guys that were his signings, they weren't.

It wasn't his job.

Hervey built that team, and you look at the moves that he's made.