Chris Iwelumo

... to be a fly in that commentary box when, when Bertrand Traore comes on just looking at each other.

Well, we can, well we can get Chris Iwelumo as a fly onto the podcast because he was-

Oh, we could do

...

I think somebody like Curtis Davies came through it, didn't he?

Curtis Davies, and Chris Iwelumo, who I, I worked with on TalkSPORT.

He, of course, former Stoke player, but he's benefited from, from that particular course.

So Steve, you know, w- we're all sort of Midlanders together, uh, chewing the fat Now I've got to know you in the press box over the last few years, and I know you've been, you know, uh, part of the WM stable for some time.

I had...

My co-commentator was, uh, former Scotland international Chris Iwelumo, um-

Right

... who interestingly, [chuckles] as a little side note, had a very, a journeyman career, really.