Chris Dickerson

Phil, you know, one of the things we talk about on the podcast all the time, and I'm glad to have you on the podcast because this is something you can only answer.

We always talk about greats like you and Ronnie and Chris, where people have won multiple championships.

And we always wonder, I specifically always wonder, Is this person born with this confidence or does this person accumulate confidence in that? Like when you first started bodybuilding.

did you know, or did, I don't want to say no, like making you cocky, but like, did you feel like, Hey, I can do this.

You beat the end guy and that's that.

Well, I'm like, Phil, what's one Olympia? Who won that? So I did a totem pole of how many Olympia champions there were.

were 12 at the time i'm like one is this person two is this person three is this person four was jay there was no one at five six was dorian seven is arnold eight is lee and ronnie and that's how i was like all right i'm at this level i'm at jay's level now i won four in a row i gotta get five holy crap, this is going to take crazy effort because now I have to respect the people who came before me and realize that what did Larry Scott do? What did Sergio do? What did Chris Dickerson do? Like, what did these guys do? What was it that they did? What did Jay Cutler do? And of course I have great proximity of being around him.

So I'm like, we're both like, he, he did something that I wasn't doing, which was, he was able to eat and train in the off season, like clockwork.

We wouldn't be able to make money." I'm thinking, "Fuck me dead.

Labrada, Padilla, all these guys, Chris Dickerson, Frank Zane, Shawn Ray, paved the way for you shorter guys to fucking be able to stand in the Open.

Fuck me dead, I've never had so many bitching, little, whining bastards in my... [laughs]

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