Yeah

... yeah, I mean, he, we were both terrible in '98.

They basically told him like, "You're not coming back until you either do something different or, or whatever." And he worked and that's what, again, challenge made him, made him better.

But point of going back to that is I think we both learned a lot from all the guys that we had opportunities to be around, um, which I was thankful for.

Um, and then, you know, going over to St. Louis was a huge advantage for me of seeing something different.

But the injury stuff was always an, an issue with me.

Um, and then ultimately I started, and this is like part of it, you know.

[laughs]