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think it's unbelievably important for traditionally trained curators and directors to have those experiences, to have them with open eyes and open minds, and to take from those experiences tricks that would substantially benefit our field.

TeamLab, for example, it's Immersive is an understatement.

It's responsive, it's immersive, it takes over your body in every sense of the word, engaging every sense, an embodied experience which is unfamiliar, completely unfamiliar.

It feels like the world has been transformed, turned upside down, inside out, but just for you.

What they are interested in is transforming the way you think and feel through a physical experience have and take with you and unpack continually in the aftermath.

So the principle there can be applied to any kind of experience making.

How are you thinking about reinventing our relationship to some of those masters? And do you have some things coming up that might be interesting that relate to that?