Um, and so, so Chris, I'd love for you to talk about sort of the, the, the real-world need for data when it comes to making this sort of a, a, a social enterprise and sustainable model, uh, and then share a little bit about, um, what you are doing in, in, in your organization.

Thank you, Michael.

Really a pleasure to be here.

And I think everyone in the audience knows this, but, um, Michael, Renee, and, uh, Indra have really paved the way for this neuroaesthetics movement, uh, the neuroarts movement here over the last several years.

But it's important to acknowledge that artists have begin- have been healers since the beginning of humankind.

Like, there's nothing new here.

Healthcare providers have been, uh, referring their patients to community resources for hundreds and hundreds of years.

So, um, I think-