Chartered Institute of Arbitrators

And the person opening this one for us is Cesar Pereira.

He's the president of the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators based in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

And he sits as an arbitrator himself on disputes involving governmental contracts.

So when he talks about enforcement, he's not describing a textbook case.

That's, you know, common law, English speaking, you know, European enforceability of awards, all that good stuff.

I mean, is CIArb not?

No.

I mean, the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators is the global body that's run out of London, and it isn't, it doesn't have an institution of its own, okay? But we've talked about an institution in this country for 20 years, and Arbitration Ireland is another manifestation of that, that will or that desire for something a bit more.

Now, let me bring in a second voice because I think this is where it gets quite interesting.

Cesar Pereira is the president of Chartered Institute of Arbitrators based in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

And he sits as an arbitrator himself in disputes involving government contracts.

So this is someone who's in the room when these calls get made.