Charlie Shaver

And at that time, I had no functional leadership experience yet, so this was truly one of the most exciting, uh, periods of my career.

And, and it then only got better because shortly after we became a standalone company, our chairman and, and CEO, who's called Charlie Shaver, he asked me to lead sustainability for the company next to my communications function.

And honestly, I will, I will always be grateful for Charlie to give me this opportunity because, yeah, as you said, I, I have a comms background.

I did not have that sustainability experience.