Charlie and Lola

Um, and then in hand-drawn animation, the way it used to be, you needed someone to draw all the frames between the key frames, and that was his job.

Uh, he met with Joe Brumm making a show called Charlie & Lola in London.

Um, he has done almost exclusively animation work on children's television, and he is co-directing the upcoming Bluey movie with Joe Brumm.

He is also the voice of Mackenzie's dad.