Charles Yu

you know, a dark-skinned Black woman who had, in terms of the colorism that she experienced in comparison to me, I was just like, oh my gosh, like, this is really intense and it's not something that I ever had to confront.

So feeling that that guilt was... interesting to grapple with and I think around that time I read the book Interior Chinatown which by Charles Yu who then like it became a Hulu show with like Jimmy O. Yang and Ronny Chieng and it really was interesting to me because he talks about how East Asians in particular like weren't necessarily considered people of color because we were so white adjacent and so there was this like guilt of not wanting to speak up because we're like but we never had it as bad as black people like we weren't persecuted the same way so like our our experience is even valid

yeah

because obviously it wasn't as bad as what they went through it and then yeah indigenous people like genocide that didn't happen to us so like it's maybe it's not that bad, you know? So it is a really, I found that to be really fascinating.

Um, and then we ended the show with a section called Notable New Releases, which spun off to be All the Books, which continues to this day.

The books that we shouted out this week in paperback, Sorry Please Thank You by Charles Yu.

Mm.

The Dog Stars by Peter Heller, and-