Charles Veitch

Yeah.

Um, in a, in a book, um, I'm, I'm reading, um, by, by David McRaney called "How Minds Change," he, he uses, um, he uses a couple examples, but two in particular, um, I think I emailed you about, was, was regarding a 9/11 truther, uh, named Charlie Veitch, I think I got his last name right, and, um, and a daughter of a Westboro Baptist, uh, family, um, kind of like ra- I forgot where their bodies died-

Right.

That's right.