So what did that moment look like for you where you decided this was the niche that you wanted to get involved with, and obviously continue doing that today?

Certainly, yeah.

And thanks again for having me, Scott.

So, you know, um, I, I found myself where I believe a lot of people find themselves day to day, which is kind of fed up with corporate life.

Um, and you know, ultimately, I was passed over on a couple of, uh, promotions, um, you know, 'cause kind of felt like I wasn't, it wasn't my turn necessarily, you know? And so my initial jump into business ownership was, you know, mostly because of that, you know? It was...

I felt like it was the right time for me, a- and this was, again, you know, I was, uh, probably 30 at that time, you know.

But ultimately it was, uh, a realization that, uh, there was a lot of red tape between me and where I wanted to be, and so I was gonna have to kinda create my own path.

So are, are there any quantified metrics of success or failure that you can share with the audience just to kind of paint a real-life picture for them?